Drugs in the Water

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  1. DoctorWho

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    Clean water is serious business here, in 1997, I wanted water, and a strange strip of orange rubber came out of the tap, I saved it in a small jar and called E.P.A. and in two hours, the area was full of technicians opening the small pedestal mounted water quality boxes, they knocked on my door and took my jar and sampled the water in my kitchen and thanked me for calling.

    Water purity is not a joke in actuality.
     
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    Ditto for Air Quality.

    We all gotta breath.
    And it is hard to find good quality air in a private use bottle. ;)


    Particulates as well as moisture pH have been pretty well ignored.
    Moisture pH as in acid fog. Oxides of nitrogen and sulfur combine with water to make acid.


    30 years ago, Newport Beach, California was a pretty clean air, area.
    Today it is usually declared "Moderate".
    When it rained I realized I wasn't using my asthma inhaler with previous days' frequency.
    The "what can I get away with" behaviors need to cease in favor of "zero tolerance".




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  3. WillReadmore

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    Yes. We WANT those potholes there. If we didn't, we would have allowed them to be fixed.

    The issue is that if we don't want government to adequately monitor our environment, then we get to drink and breath the chemicals that corporations want to dump.

    Having a clean environment is not a passive act - it requires action. And, if we BLOCK that action, we will not get the product.
     
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    Voters have a responsibility to control their government...
     
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    Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft, sure ya do pard, sure ya do.
     
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    Americans are not up to the task, give us another celebrity.
     
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    Voters have a responsibility to control their government...
     
  8. Fenton Lum

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    American voters sat on their asses while they came under constant state and corporate surveillence and lost the right to Habeas Corpus.

    They can't hear you.
     
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    Yes - quite true.

    But, when we decide we don't want the government to fill the potholes, it's not legit to blame the government from filling the potholes - right?

    This happens over and over again. We want government to do stuff that isn't free. Then, we demand they don't do it - by creating law, by not funding, by general political pressure.

    So far, that's totally legit.

    But, THEN we note that the work didn't get done and blame the government for that.

    That is NOT legitimate.
     
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    Whatever...voters need to take control...anything less is just excuses...
     
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    Voters must place in office representatives who will DO what is in the best interest of the USA. NOT what is in the best interest of individuals or political parties.

    If it's in the best interest of the USA to fill potholes...then it should be done...equitably in all locations. Representatives who DO NOT do what's in the best interest of the USA need to be removed...this is the voter's job.

    BLAMING anyone is a fool's game...
     
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    Agreed, but they cannot do that by voting, and they're not prepared to lay anything else on the line. So here we remain.
     
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    That would be nice, but it is simply not how the system operates.
     
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    Voters hold all the power. If voters do not use their power to maximize government performance then we have what we have today.

    One other slightly important part of voting is the voters need to be smarter than a rock...and herein lies our major problem...
     
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    NO...it's how voters operate...quite poorly...
     
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    Pfffffffffffffffffffft, a cabal of Goldman Sachs execs is a constant fixture in the white house regardless of electoral outcomes and the power structure routinely rejects the majority of the population's opinions. If voters wish to sway that the system decides to give them it will be all about money, the vote is utterly meaningless.
     
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    Sure, voter shaming will be the way forward. Anything to avoid questioning the system itself. That's the democratic party ruse of the moment.
     
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    $10 million of Goldman Sachs executive still has the same amount of votes as the guy with $1.

    There are only a 'few' who have $10 million and tens of millions who have $1...and you continue to believe those with $10 million have all the power?

    News flash!! Those with $10 million are perceived to have power because tens of millions of other voters do a HORRIBLE job electing people...
     
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    No...it's called voter facts...
     
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    The guy with $1 is not in the white house making policy. You do now understand, at all, how your system works. Have a happy Easter.
     
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    Sure, go with that, it's working really well for the democratic party.
     
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    Sure.

    However, we're a significant population with reasonable diversity of opinion on what our priorities should be, what we should be willing to pay for, etc. And, that has to be taken into account by every voter. There are significant differences of opinion on what is best for the USA.

    For example, that has to be a significant part of evaluating our own representatives.

    I don't like the party line voting that I see in congress. That's a negative. However, it's not all that easy to evaluate one's own representatives on that.
     
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    I do understand how it works...PEOPLE vote for representatives to manage the nation...tens of millions of them vote so if there is a problem in government it IS NOT a problem with a single Goldman executive but with the tens of millions of Americans casting their votes...
     
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    Please provide more substantive responses...
     
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    In BOLD above...DUH...of course there are opinions but ALL of the opinions based on self-serving needs and politics or religion are BS that won't move the nation forward! More DUH...voters today are too stupid and self-serving to ever find consensus which means the nation is sorely divided which means we are now incompetent. But no matter how stupid or self-serving the voters might be...it remains the voters who control this nation! If the nation is not doing well then look no further than the incompetence of the voters...
     

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