Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. dagosa

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    The 2% goes into salaries to maintain the system. It’s no different then taxes for any social program. Workers in the system still get paid, even in China.
    Whether or not it’s paid for by the people, which it is, it’s managed and regulated by ‘ the people” in this case, the government. That’s what determines socialism,
    “Owned or regulated” by the government.
     
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    Vets are highly trained, too.
    No, I don't.
    Maybe having more doctors would make it likely we would take out some of the bad apples.
    You do realize I'm not suggesting we drop standards, just accept more students into training programs and that, of course, means some students will be admitted who wouldn't be admitted today.
    "Aren't risks?" What are you talking about?
    It's not reinsurance, either. Maybe you could look at reinsurance in the home earthquake coverage.
    A lot of kids have okay parenting in the early years, but the parents drop the ball when it comes to education.
    You're definitely wrong about that.
    "Non monetary compensation?" Like what?
    The initial distribution was rigged against labor. If workers were better able to form unions, for example, they could pressure management for higher wages. Business has pushed for so-called right-to-work laws that violate workers' right of free association and even the right to quit their job.

    There's more that negatively impacts labor.
     
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    If we require insurers charge the same rate to all insureds, there's a reasonable chance most of us could pay our own way. If we stopped the ripoffs in health care, even more people will be able to afford insurance.
    You're arguing against helping poor people. It's a "No Sale!" for most voters. Social Security and Medicare have 80+% voter approval, and by nearly 2-1 voters say they would rather raise taxes than cut benefits.

    You have some good ideas, but they won't likely be acceptable if they're seen as a stalking horse for avoiding taxes.
     
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    I said SS is a transfer, not a transfer from rich people. It's a transfer from people working to retired folks.
     
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    Regulation is not ownership.

    Socialism is collectivized production. Medicaid's means tested skilled nursing benefit is an income transfer, not socialism. Public schools are socialist. Police, too. Medicare services are provided by private doctors, labs, hospitals, etc. Not socislist.
     
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    If the government provides or sells insurance, we have socialist enterprise. Funds transferred to insureds, of course, are not socialist.
     
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    The benefit is not socialist, however.
     
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    No, but I can read English and French. Mark me "literate."
     
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    Collectivized production. Socialist.
     
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    The value of the government service called Social Security is limited to the 2% overhead for collecting taxes and distributing benefits. That's how much socialism is involved with Social Security. The benefits are transfers from current taxpayers to recipients.
     
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    Owned, yes; regulated, no.
     
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    Doubtful. In all likelihood, you would have been dead decades ago without socialism. Small pox was officially eradicated because of it. Nothing more like socialism then mandatory vaccinations. You’d have choked on your own sewerage. Too. The epa is a socialist program pure and simple. Be are awash in socialism. Like, those dang snow plows.......
     
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    No they aren’t. How many times do we need to be reminded that they are payments out of a government run insurance program. Look it up. The surplus goes into a general fund and billions go into disability payments. I don’t get your 2% reference. The product is the plan, owned by we the people. It’s forced participation and Government regulated. Just look up the SS web site. That’s my reference. Btw, look up the definition of socialism.
     
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    You refer to SS being “collectivized.”
    Guess what “collectivize. “ means ? State run socialism.
    Geepers, suddenly we live in world where vocabulary is meaningless.
     
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    Go grab any dictionary and look up collective...examples are government run socialism. Your own words trip you up.
     
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    Look up the definition of socialism. It isn’t what you want it to be. Any program owned by the people, is socialism. The great experiment, the United States, practices every form of governance by the will of the people.
    We even practice “dictatorship” and autocracy under “the war powers act.”
     
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    You don’t know what the word “or” means do you ?
     
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    So if the government gives you money and you decide how to spend it, then it’s not socialism ? . So that makes Andrew Yangs universal basic income, not socialism right ?
     
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    Now I know that you are just making things up. I’ve never fallen for religion and I got straight A’s in college. The least religious demographic in America are the highly educated.
     
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    They seem to have better bedside manners than docs, too. :)

    Possible.

    Only the best academically are getting in. Admitting more would by default lower academic standards.

    Playing Russian Roulette with one loaded chamber involves risk. Playing with 3 loaded chambers involves risk. Playing with six does not. There is no uncertainty of the future or calculating odds. Covering preexisting conditions is playing Russian Roulette with six loaded chambers.

    Yep. Valid reinsurance. A company trying to reinsure loss claims after an earthquake has occurred and claims are filed? Not reinsurance. Same as Russian Roulette with a fully loaded cylinder.

    A lot? A lot don’t even have parents.

    Anything concrete to back up that opinion?

    Surely you jest. We’ve been discussing health insurance for pages now. It’s one of the big ones.


    What initial distribution? I’d like to hear more facts about violations of free association and at-will workers not being able to quit a job.

    So you completely ignore the effects of automation and technology on GDP and worker compensation ?
     
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    Your a funny guy sometimes. You make wild assumptions to support your ideas. But never any facts.

    Please explain how I’d choke on my own sewage?

    To the heart of the matter. If we use logic to assess your position, you are saying everything is socialism. Ancient Rome, Chinese Empires, modern Europe, Venezuela, the US, etc. etc.

    You are saying capitalism doesn’t exist, even anarchies-capitalism, because regulation is agreed on by society.

    You are saying Marx was a numb nut who wasted his life advocating for something universally adopted centuries before his birth. If everything is socialism today, do you believe we are ready to move straight into communism?
     
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    So you think your GPA determines reality? Interesting.

    National Bureau of Labor numbers show this:

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    For those who are interested in education, there is more information out there like the above.

    Yeh, I make everything up. :)
     
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    If you bother to actually read what socialism is, maybe you could have a point. Wtf is the world “social” in Social security.....it’s not “capitalist security”.
    When the government, owns, manages and/or directs or regulates any program for the benefit of the people, it’s practicing socialism.
    No, our government also practices capitalist support with corporate law. It also practices authoritarianism during the war powers act.

    But, socialism is a big part of our government responsibility.
    and yes, without the epa, and government intervention, you’d be choking on your own sewerage.
     
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    Do they teach mathematics in religious schools? Or is that Christian math, where the numbers add up oddly. I wonder about that nineteen percent who neither practice religion or never practice religion. You’d think if one was to use made up charts they’d at least make the numbers add up.
     
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    Religious beliefs do not determine academic success.
     

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