Egyptian army slaughters protestors (Thread #2 )

Yeah thus the strawman comment.

 

Sorry as I said its not my job to be your daddy. If you didn't pay attention in the years following 9/11 its not my problem. If you want the videos you take the wager and pay me a hundred bucks for every one I post. If not I guess you aren't so sure of yourself now are you.

 

Moon democracy is not a perfect God or Goddess for that matter. I do not get why all of you are so anti the Egyptian people and insist that they had to, in the name of all that is democracy and only for the sake of democracy, live under the rule of what they obviously saw was a regime which was turning into a worst regime than Mubaraks had been and all for the God Democracy.

You and I do not understand Egypts relationship with her Army but at least I do try to understand.

We have imposed our ways on her for long enough and you still insist she should do it our way ................

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I didn't say it ....................... don't pick on me.

You have taken a stance against Egypt fine ................ I am not in agreement with you but I am not arguing nit pickin' points with you either.

There is no such thing as Al Qaeda ................. that is Yanky speak. There for sure will be terrorists though why was the MB banned in the first place? They were killing £££££££ tourists is why.

Yes it was a broad based Party at one time and yes we all, Egyptians too, were fooled into thinking they were so again. But some how they went off track and Egypt reared up agin them. So what they used their Army? so what? It is their Army.

 

I heard Robert Fisk talking about this a short while ago. It is because there is no law and order in Egypt, just anarchy. Must be one of the few times he agrees with the Israelis

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/egypt-turmoil-gaza-israel

Fisk, who is in Egypt and narrowly missed a bullet himself the other night, said that the Police are hiring 'drug addicts' to go against the MB. He said they caused the problems the other day. He saw them with batons and firing guns indiscriminately.

Another US journalist has been on saying it is simply because they do not like the way it is being reported.

They are apparently going to legally outlaw the MB who have been called terrorists all day anyway.

Breaking News 38 men who had been arrested from the mosque were being transferred. They got a police officer into the van to bargain with and other police broke the glass and shot everyone. That is 38 people from the mosque yesterday shot dead a short while ago..

 

In order to save thousands of lives, that's why. They could have used the ballot box without any fatalities. You sound like a junta buff yourself.

An army is an army. It consists of elderly schemers and young fools. ' Relationships ' with armies entail giving them what they want in the hope that they'll leave you in peace.

I suggested from the outset that Egyptians had an opportunity to devise a new way. It was them who chose our broken system.

 

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I disagree - when have a revolting maniacal mob of fanatics ever restored - established a lawful and orderly situation ?

I see no reason to sympathize with religious fundamentalist nutters who in their own words say they are prepared to die for
their political leaders .

For some strange reason you appear to be biased . Perhaps coz you've been getting your information from only one side and have not attempted to listen to the other side.


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Pathetic attempt to shift blame onto Egypt's military - is daft . Ther'e's just no way that the religious fanatical rabble can defeat the military and MB along with Wahabist AQ - have already vowed not to negotiate with any group who don't share their aims.


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This thread is not about 9/11 that is a few years back.

 

There are many people on the other side of the pond - whose clocks + brains stopped working after 9/11


Gawd bless'em


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No moon they were not given the chance, they asked that the Military hold the fort for a year whilst they found their own way, it was America who insisted on elections asp .......................... and this is what happens.

I think the Egyptian Military is more complex than that moon .................... They have become one of the pillars that holds Egypt up, for all that it has the usual faults of Militarys everywhere and they are the Ways of the World as it is not as we would or Egyptians would wish it to be.

 

My posts related 9/11 to the topic. Your post above does not. Please read the forum rules. I get to post my opinions same as everyone else.

 

They didn't expect the Spanish .....................Inquisition that is looool

 

What about WOMEN's situation in Egypt this days ?????

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Cool ......rules is made to be broke and I ain't one to disagree with that.

 

' They asked that the Military hold the fort ' ? Turn it up.

That's stating the obvious. That's what countries use their militaries for.

Armies are armies. Generals ' know best'.........in Coupland.

 

I like Fisk better than any other reporter of the ME.

He said the same of Mubaraks' and others have said the same of Mursis' use of drugged up thugs. I think it is what the Police do there no matter who is in power or who they are fighting...................''The Government always gets in''

 

That depends whether the Egyptian military is allowed - unhindered , by foreign press + other pressures , to bring the current anarchical situation under control. I'm confident that Egypt's military shall defeat the destructive nutters + succeed in restoring Law and order.,


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Then you were not listening very carefully at the time of Tahrir Square moon. The young revolutionaries asked the Military to hold the fort for at least a year, whilst a constitution was drawn up, with thought, and all the rest ..................The MB, who had been against the revolution and distanced themselves from it, said they would NOT form a party. Cameron arrived with Arms dealers then Clinton. Clinton talked to the Generals and then the MB ............. the young revolutionaries did not want to talk to her ooooor she not them?

Next thing we know election revolutionaries gone and MB in power. vrooooom vrooooom vroooooom just like that.

Much later I heard one of the young ones say they regret ed not having rushing something through and cobbled a ONE party together but they had honestly thought they would be given time.

I remember these things .................... you were not watching.


The Army is the one constant Egyptians have ................ imperfect maybe. We can all hate the Military but ideology is for the young moon ................keep the essence and aim for it but we live in the real World. You can't take the Army out of Egypt.

 

So why are you making strawman comments instead of just posting the evidence of MB cheering for 9/11?

If such documentation is so prevalent as you say, you could have posted at least one piece of evidence in FAR LESS effort than playing these silly games about why you won't and making ridiculous demands for gambling before you do, continuing such diversions across multiple posts. Just post your proof or admit you don't have it and be done. If you posted the evidence, it would back up your claim. Your silly games accomplish nothing, other than further empahsize that you have no proof and are trying to figure out how to copout. Which, as silly as it is, is better than Abu-Sina's copout of posting an emoticon.

 

Ditto -


Meanwhile :

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Egypt army chief al-Sisi: Room for all in Egypt"
The head of Egypt's armed forces has said that his message to the supporters of ousted President Mohammed Morsi is that "there is room for everyone".
Gen Abdul Fattah al-Sisi urged them to help "rebuild the democratic path" and "integrate in the political process".
But he also warned the military would not be silent in the face of violence.
Later, 38 Muslim Brotherhood members are reported to have been killed while attempting to escape during their transfer to a prison outside Cairo.
The interior ministry said police had fired tear gas in an attempt to release an officer taken hostage as the detainees were being put onto a vehicle to take them to Abu Zabal prison in Qaliubiya province.
It also announced that so-called "people's committees", which have been set up by residents of some areas to provide security, would be banned because some had been used for vigilante activities.
Meanwhile, the Mena state news agency reported that 79 people were killed and 549 wounded in violence across the country on Saturday.
That raised the nationwide death toll since Wednesday, when security forces forcibly cleared two pro-Morsi protest camps in Cairo, to more than 830, including 70 police and soldiers.

'Torching the nation'
Gen Sisi deposed Mr Morsi on 3 July, saying the military could not ignore the millions of people who had been demanding the resignation of Egypt's first democratically elected president.


Before security forces launched the operation to disperse the Cairo sit-ins, the armed forces chief asked millions of people to take to the streets to give him a "mandate" to fight "violence and terrorism", an apparent reference to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist movement to which Mr Morsi belongs.

In a speech to army and police officers on Sunday, Gen Sisi warned that the military would not allow further violence after the latest unrest.

"We will not stand by silently watching the destruction of the country and the people or the torching the nation and terrorising the citizens," he quoted as saying in a post on the military's Facebook page.

But the general also appeared to strike a conciliatory tone towards his opponents.

"We have given many chances... to end the crisis peacefully and call for the followers of the former regime to participate in rebuilding the democratic track and integrate in the political process and the future map instead of confrontations and destroying the Egyptian state," he said. "There is room for everyone in Egypt, and we are cautious about every drop of Egyptian blood."The Brotherhood has called for daily demonstrations since security forces cleared its protest camps in Cairo on Wednesday and declared a state of emergency. More than 600 people were killed during the operations, including dozens of security forces personnel.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23744435

Gen Abdul Fattah al-Sisi - is imo - the only man who can now save Egypt + its people from many years of anarchy.

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If that's true then why did you point it out in the first place?

 

On the contrary- he should be arrested and tried.

He's a ****** butcher

 

I never said they the "mob of fanatics" (and you want to call me bias! lol) would establish law and order.

What I said was, we're going to have civil war, if some kind of reconciliation can't occur.

But you'll sympathize with police who slaughtered a peaceful protest?

I asked you about the children and the cameramen, if you sympathized with them, but you didn't answer that. The cat's got a lot of tongues today!

The police and government don't put THEIR lives on the line for THEIR "government"?

BTW you're flat wrong. Almost EVERYONE among the protestors flee for their lives when confronted with police brutality. They fled from their encampments. The people in the mosque tried to keep people out in fear for their lives, and did you not see the video of all the people forced into jumping over the side of the bridge to escape?

You're not? Why don't you address the argument and not the poster.

Not THIS red-herring again. Don't refute things. Don't answer questions. Just complain about where people get their information. Who cares if I got the information from Satan himself, if you guys can't refute it.

I have been DEMANDING to see the backup from the other side for MANY claims.

NOBODY has been providing that information. So please don't sit here and accuse me of refusing to listen, when, I have been asking in earnest to see these things for my consideration. It is you guys who refuse to show the other side.

BTW, you CANNOT ask me to rely on "the other side" when the other side is filtering the message using lethal force. That is the most violent form of media bias. Why do they do that?

Why? Are you denying that this violence didn't all erupt when the police launched their crackdown? When did it start before that?

You got a quotation for the MB on this one?

 

Already answered. If you want me to do your homework, I need to get paid. I only post things when I feel like it. IF you didn't see any of the MB burning US flags and cheering the deaths of Americans following 9/11, then mostly likely you are an avid MSNBC viewer.

 

They held elections. You just didn't like the outcome so you put them out of your mind

 

He wasn't elected King. Once he started thinking he was king he had to be gotten rid of. The people did not vote for a theocracy.