Electric Cars

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if we will. We need a lot of infrastructure to be built up. More power plants, closer to the end user and more high tension wires
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Synthetic oil. They collect the oil product that's contained in the gases from fractional distillation of crude oil. That is what they call synthetic oil.

    Not aware of any other process that produces synthetic oil. Synthetic oil sounds like man-made oil but it isn't.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also, those who live in terraced housing with no front gardens etc.. You would need charging points built along the road, you couldn't have electric extension leads lying everywhere.

    As they get closer to these ideas happening, they're gonna be in for a shock (pardon the pun).
     
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    I don't think electric cars are the future. Fuel electric sure.
     
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  5. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe one day electric cars will be the future but it'll be best part of a century before adequate technology makes them viable.
     
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    LOL! ;)

    Back in the bad old days of points, plugs and condensers it stood for Fix Or Repair Daily! I really don't miss those days at all when I spent more time under the hood than behind the wheel. In the late 70's a friend told me about a Heathkit electronic ignition kit that you could build and fit onto any existing vehicle. I bought it, built and installed it and never looked back. It was such a pleasure knowing that my car would always start first time every time. Nowadays people just take it for granted but it wasn't always like that.
     
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    Depends

    Certainly for everyday commutes in the suburbs you don’t need that

    I am watching the electric vehicle revolution in the disability industry most people only live within 5 k of a shopping centre so a lot of elderly and disabled use the electric carts
     
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    You can charge an electric vehicle from virtually any power outlet so what makes you believe that there is some additional "adequate technology" that still needs to be invented to make them "viable"?
     
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    No, I was saying that grease can be made from vegetable oil just as it is from fossil fuel oils.
     
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    The problem is, you can't just think, "I'll just pop my car on charge overnight". Also, especially in the UK, terraced housing does not make that possible. Between your house and the car, you have a 4 to 5 foot wide pavement. In some streets, parking is on both sides of the street leaving enough space for one lane of cars. The national grid just cannot handle the power with everyone being on electric. The infrastructure cost is not viable.

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not against electric vehicles, the technology has to vastly improve, you can't be charging up every night. A tripped circuit breaker, forgot to plug it in, power cut, having the vehicle near a power source etc... Not everyone works 9 to 5 in an office with a driveway at home.
     
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    Most folks are all about change, but many of us just laugh at all the hyperbole dished out by the pro electric crowd.

    Notice that they they never really speak about how limiting a electric car can be?

    Electric is the future, but it isn't even close to being there yet.
     
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    Ok, I'm not a grease expert, I just read up on greases. In my grease naivety, I assumed many were derived from fossil oil. You live and learn !!
     
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    There is an easier system

    Either set up a power box, with swipe card of course, on power poles or have “charging stations”. There has even been suggestions of having “swap and go” batteries

    UK - forget solar panels the poor things would die of starvation :p
     
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    They're already coal powered. In addition to burning coal, in some places whole forests were torched in the process of moving the coal fired electrons to the charging stations. The car itself is the only thing subsidized by tax dollars.
     
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    How long is your daily commute?
     
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    There is already electricity available to ALL of those houses which means that all that is needed is to run underground cables to metered outlets next to the parking bays. That is not "new technology" since it already exists and all it takes is the necessary labor to install it.
     
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    In construction, we tow trailers. My trailer weighs 860kg and can have a gross weight of 3,500kg. So I could put a 2 ton digger in or some packs of bricks.

    But I only tow the trailer once or twice a month so an electric truck is not viable. So I need an electric van. Trouble is, the manufacturers don't make one that can tow, and when I enquired, they don't even make a tow bar to fit onto the vehicle. Apparently, they're not designed to handle the weight and instead of a driving capacity of miles, I would be down to yards.

    You can buy an electric JCB, but you need a diesel van to tow it.
     
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    Some houses have more than one vehicle, you might be parked in another street. A long van can take best part of two spaces.

    Just dig up the pavements and kerbs on thousands of streets?
     
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    Oh! I don’t know!

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    If they can make these sods electric then anything can be made

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    Draglines were always electric. Mind you the local town would brown out every time the bugger got up and walked to the next site
     
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    Rather than your circumstances, think about others. You have a party, say relatives round for an Xmas meal, where do 10 cars plug into? The amperage in a domestic house means charging overnight.

    The boss lives in the street ^^^ pictured above. He's has two staff that come round in a car each and all three drive off in the bosses car. Where do the two cars plug into? One will have park round the corner, whose socket will be round there?

    Realistically, you are going to have to drive to a charge station, unplug the battery like a drill battery and plug a charged one in. Pay the charge cost and off you go. If you can charge at home, do so. If you forget to charge or can't at home, go to the charge station to swap your battery.

    But the technology is not there and the infrastructure is even further away.
     
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    It does not matter where you park as long as there is a metered outlet that you can use.

    Yes, digging up pavements happens ALL THE TIME. When they can do that to REPAIR existing utilities they can do it to add new ones. The installation of Broadband fibre optic cable is resulting in pavements being dug up all over the place. This is very basic work and it happens on a regular basis.
     
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    Ford's new all electric F150 prototype was tested pulling 10 double decker freight train cars.

    https://www.motor1.com/news/361301/f150-electric-towing-million-pounds/

    Obviously whatever you have been told is a load of crap and Ford would be foolish to demonstrate something like that without being able to actually deliver anything that actually worked in reality.
     

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