Electric Cars

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Just A Man, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I pointed this out on a different forum that those folks who have diesel generators could still power their plug in cars. They just didn't have to rely on PG&E or pacific flicker and flash to charge them. How many CA grid suppliers are still coal fired again? It always amuses when liberals can't understand that their "electric car" is actually coal fired...
     
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    Patience!

    Ford is supposed to deliver what you want in 2021.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wouldn't p iss on a Ford if it was on fire. Ford vans are crap.

    And for £10k ?????
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's the range towing with the heater on?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hadn't even thought about that when they disconnected their power if they have an electric car they're kind of up the Creek without a paddle.

    This is why I've always thought electric cars are not the future hybrids will always be a better choice for just about any situation I can think of
     
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    You see You see right there is another difficulty I have with electric cars. You would never wanna be caught in an electric car in the Winter time. What if you get stuck somewhere and you're starting to get really cold. You turn your heater on to stay warm and healthy and the end up running out the battery and then where are you? Once again up the Creek without a paddle
     
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    That is a HYBRID, not an all electric vehicle.

    I had the C-Max hybrid and it was easy to get 37 mpg driving with a lead foot. (It had 188 hp which was 8 more than my Mini Cooper S.) If I drove more sensibly the C-Max would return in the mid 40 mpg range and if hypermiled it was possible to get it up into the mid 50 mpg range.

    Note that I am using the smaller US gallons for these mpg figures. They would all be higher in the larger UK gallons.
     
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    And when you run out of gas you are stuck up the exact same creek!
     
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    Easier to get the 25lt Jerry Can of diesel out of the back.

    The day electric technology does the same as diesel for the same price will be the day I move over. I have 15 years to work, I will be well retired by that technology ever appears.
     
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    A pump can also run on gas, diesel, steam, and water power. Probably wind and sea current.

    I'm dreaming of miniature nuclear power and the technology might be here in 40 to 50 years. Maybe no heavier than an internal combustion engine. When the atom bomb decimated Nagasaki no one thought that enormous energy would one day power a submarine. In the future the waste could be launched to the sun and vaporized in space. You got to dream in the future. If you think you can't do something then you can't.

    All material things can be used to kill. No reason to halt progress. Some people probably told Henry Ford not to make cars because they could be used for getaway by bank robbers.
     
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    Uranium is 1.6 times DENSER than lead.

    The sheer cost of launching it into space would negate any savings in that regard.

    I have no problems with moving towards new technologies, especially those that do not pollute our planet. Unfortunately nuclear power is not one of those technologies. Utilities are building solar and wind plants and abandoning nuclear because it has NEVER been cost effective and there is no reason to believe it ever will be.
     
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    so when there is a gas shortage we should ditch gas cars, how about hybrids, best of both worlds

    when there is no gas, gas cars do not work

    when there is no electricity, electric cars do not work

    Hybrids can use both
     
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    and if something goes wrong, corps go bk and the tax payers have to clean up after nuclear, so if we even had it, it should be owned and run by the government, not private corps

    society takes the risk with nuclear, so society should be the ones profiting from it if we take the risk

    I think we should set them up by Trump's golf courses... they will be fine

    if Trump give the ok to build one behind Maralago, you know they must be safe, if he fought it, you know they are not

    Build them in rich neighborhoods, that is when you know they will be safe, when they build them there
     
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    Nor did they think that wives would use the car to run over their husbands in his driveway again and again and again to kill them. ;)
     
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    And hybrid diesel cars can burn even more types of fuel, than just highly refined Gasoline
     
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    Yes we do.

    I just don't think it'll work in the United States every milliamp if electricity is being used currently. Are power production facilities operate at 101% that's why we have routine brown outs. They have to shut down the turbines to repair them.

    Also I live in a place where it storms a lot and occasionally we have power outages that last days. So there won't be any electric cars at that point.
     
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    "Fix OR Repair Daily" "Found On Road Dead" :)
     
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    Everything pollutes or damages the planet. Renewables are built using mined materials. The welding process creates fumes.

    You can reduce pollution but not eliminate.
     
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    Once upon a time we didn't have any gas stations either, but somehow they popped up just in time. :)
     
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    one can make electricity at their home, with gas, even natural gas with a generator or solar\wind... still drive a hybrid electric
     
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    Did you say the same before they ran gas lines and electricity down your street?
     
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    A lot of new homes in California come standard with solar. They have about a 6 year payback.
    But they do take up a lot of space. I think that's why you don't see many bulk suppliers. But having said that they are catching on as "peakers". Those power stations that need to be built to supplement normal power generation.
    https://www.greentechmedia.com/arti...-of-clean-and-distributed-portfolio#gs.90xc5h

    But I still like these guys best.
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...4-hour-renewable-energy-crescent-dunes-nevada
     
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    Does it amuse you when the liberals point out they are three times more efficient?
     
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    Fabricating solar panels requires caustic chemicals such as sodium hydroxide and hydrofluoric acid, and the process uses water as well as electricity, the production of which emits greenhouse gases. It also creates waste. These problems could undercut solar's ability to fight climate change and reduce environmental toxics.

    So what's your plan of action?
     

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