Electric vehicles more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at end of 2022: consulting firm

People are already being forced to pay higher prices for regular cars to make it less expensive to purchase electric cars, in the push to coerce people to buy electric cars.

Furthermore, the law has already been passed to do this in the future. (Not all laws are designed to take effect immediately)

Are you trying to say that "no one will be forced to buy electric cars"?
Maybe you don't think people need to have a car at all, so "not buying an electric car" is always "an option". Is that your reasoning?

 

you want government to control the price of ICE cars now?.. socialism

supply and demand is why car prices are higher, more people have money to buy cars, price goes up due to demand

don't worry, Republican are trying to solve that, they will make sure people have less money

"Are you trying to say that "no one will be forced to buy electric cars"?"

I said no one is being forced to buy EV's, gave myself as an example, will it happen in the far future, maybe, maybe not

 

No, I want government not to control the price of cars.

I'm not wasting any more time with you.

Apparently saying what you are doing would be against the forum rules and result in my post being deleted, as I have found out several times in the past.

FreshAir, I think you KNOW what you are doing. The question is, are you actually being honest with yourself?

 

then are you are ok with capitalism, car dealers charging more right now, due to supply and demand? I do think some businesses are price gouging after Covid... how about you?

"Apparently saying what you are doing would be against the forum rules and result in my post being deleted, as I have found out several times in the past."

yep, I am in the same boat, welcome to the club, so let's not insult one another - (glad to see it's not just the left getting reported and posts deleted, at least it's consistent among both parties)

 

It's not "capitalism" when car dealers are being forced to buy a certain number of electric cars for every regular car.

It's also possible big businesses are having to raise their prices to pay for the cost of complying with government mandates - mandates which most ordinary people are not aware exist.

 

no one is being forced, they see the future and no ev is the future, but it's still aways a way

prices are up due to parts shortages from overseas, due to covid

 

I just want to point out to everyone, this is how the Left works. They deny that something is going to happen. Then they deny that it is happening. And finally once it can't be denied it is happening any longer, they say "So what?"

 

are you being forced to buy an EV, I am not either

when you are... let us know

 

Some people in some places are already being forced to pay higher prices if they do not make the "correct" decision.

As the mandates start automatically phasing closer and closer to the final target, the regular cars will get more and more expensive, money diverted to pay for those buying electric cars.

That's what these mandates are. Economically they will guarantee that there will be a price differential large enough to meet the government mandate target in the marketplace, pressuring consumers to choose the option government is pushing them to choose.

Of course it's also true that as the mandates phase closer and closer towards the final target, the consumer price of electric cars will go higher, since there are fewer consumers buying regular cars to subsidize the price of electric cars (even though the price increase on each regular car would be increasing).

 

nope, that is called capitalism, corporate greed, that is why prices are higher

 

So you're saying this a trick from the Left. Have government force corporations to do things that will alter their prices, but the majority of stupid people will not see that, they will only see businesses raising their prices, so in their minds they will blame corporations, not the government.
Get corporations to do the government's bidding so corporations will take the blame.

 

nope, you're saying that, I am saying no one forcing me to buy EV, are you being forced to buy an EV?

 

If government is causing price increases on regular cars to be able to decrease the consumer price of EVs from what they would otherwise be, do you consider that "being forced to buy EV"?

 

if, you say, not happening here, but the right wants to raise the cost of EV's

both ICE and EV are supplemented with tax dollars to be cheaper... we even send our children to war for oil

as I said, no one is forcing me to buy an EV, in fact, I doubt I will ever own one in my lifetime

 

The Left isn't even willing to spend tax money to pay for this. Instead they push unfunded mandates on businesses, and then consumers are forced to pay the cost in the form of higher prices.

 

the reason the people on the right, like Musk, is pushing EV's is the profit margin is higher per car sold

 

I think you are confusing the issue. The profit margin for the Tesla company is higher, but only because of all the hype his company has, and Tesla cars are seen as a trendy luxury item. It's not surprising the profit margins were higher when the average Tesla car cost $50,000 to $90,000.

To state basic economics, there's only two ways the profit margin for an alternative can be higher. Either the price is higher, or the cost to produce the alternative is lower.

There are estimates that the cost to produce a Tesla Model 3 is about $28,000.
For comparison, the cost to produce a Lexus (which is a semi-luxury car, probably a little nicer than the Model 3) is around $22,000.

 

yep, most people are not buying EV's, no one is being forced too, you're proving my point

 

What percent of the people buying electric cars now do you think would be buying them if it weren't for government policies pushing people to buy them?

Sure, there are plenty of people with money to burn, who would purchase an EV whether the government was pushing them to or not, partly because they have some notion that it is "helping the environment", but also because the media is making it look trendy.

Sure, I'm willing to admit that so far, the only people buying EVs are the ones who already would have preferred to buy one in the first place, if price were not a factor, but as these government policies continue in their sequence to take effect, it's going to start pressuring more and more people when it comes time to buy a new car. It will start with those who probably wouldn't have picked an EV but are open to the idea. Then it will hit people who don't really like the idea of having an EV but don't really care too much. And then eventually, people who do not want an EV are going to go to the dealership and see sky high prices for regular cars and get pressured into buying an EV. And of course finally, the dealerships will not be permitted to buy any regular cars at all.

 

we will have to see, I do not see these policies ever seeing the life of day, setting a date for 2035 is just for show, it won't happen

there may be a point they are so good people want to buy them, but battery technology is not there yet

 

Well, it's already been passed into law.

You may or may not be right. This law does seem rather extremist and unrealistic to me. What will happen as the end target starts getting closer? Will the progressive politicians come under pressure to repeal the law?
Will they listen to people who complain about high prices? Are we going to end up with a two-tiered society with a big segment of the population who cannot afford personal cars? Because there are many progressives who'd probably be fine with that.

 

doesn't matter, it will change, and no one has to buy from that State or even live there

 

You are claiming that a law already passed doesn't matter, because you insist it is such a bad law it will be changed in the future, even though there is currently no indication of any of the progressive politicians who are in power in those places talking about changing that law.

Just brushing it all away claiming "it doesn't matter" sounds like denial to me.

 

More like 30 years. Tesla itself is about 20 years old and at a minimum, GM, Ford, and Honda all produced them.

No matter how much wishful thinking goes into them, EVs will by definition always be inferior.

 

If it's a technology that is ready for prime time, no government grant money is required. Do you think Steve Jobs was using a government grant when his top-top-secret team was designing the first iPhone? The irony is that Apple invented the very concept of a smartphone but has lost the market share lead to Android. Granted, multiple hardware vendors exist in the Android segment, but they all essentially work precisely the same.