Elon Musk agrees: Trump’s economic plans will lead to ‘hardship’ and cause markets to ‘tumble’

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. NASA designs their own rockets, but can and does outsource some design and technical work, but they build their own rockets
     
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    He drained from below.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    True. Look at the States $$ wise and as a % for those receiving the most federal $$$$.

    ...xxx

    Which states received the most money from the federal government?
    Federal funding comes through several overlapping programs targeting state and local governments. The proportion of state revenues attributable to federal aid is determined by combining the funding received by both state and local institutions.

    The five states that received the most federal aid were:

    • California ($162.9 billion)
    • New York ($110.2 billion)
    • Texas ($105.8 billion)
    • Florida ($58.8 billion)
    • Pennsylvania ($57.1 billion)
    These figures largely correlate with population. To interpret state reliance on the federal government more accurately, we can look at total aid as a percentage of annual state revenues.

    In 2021, Montana led the states with the highest proportion of federal funding to the overall budget at 31.8%, followed by New Mexico (30.7%), Kentucky (30.1%), Louisiana (29.8%), and Alaska (29.0%).

    https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great post that clearly explains how this really works. And to add on, Texas is about to grow to number one in state aid as personal taxes are about to explode to pay for everything the state needs now that they have ended corporate taxes. Somebody gets to pay for those semiconductor plants, and all the roads and government services they will use. And if your a worker in Texas, or own a house in Texas, you better start saving your money cause your gunna get destroyed to build this "corporate utopia"..... Texas consumption tax is 8.5%, and guess who spends most of their money consuming ?
     
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    An empty suit was given over one billion dollars to blow in just 3 months to win an election. Who is that desperate to keep Trump out of the WH?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, you lost me there. I have no clue what this has to do with anything.
     
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    You said spending, I gave you spending. So you would have been the one dem to vote against Covid relief? Are you saying PPP loans to keep people employed aren't the reason people stayed employed while they weren't actually working early on in Covid? You forgot lefty states staying closed for months? If you have dementia, I apologize and understand the difficulty.
     
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    As I said, NASA hasn't built a rocket since 72, engineering cheaper than manufacturing lol.
     
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    Follow the money! Whose pockets are so deep and so desperate they throw over a billion dollars at a nobody who never had a chance to win and Biden knew it when he endorsed the empty suit pants? That was Biden’s FU to the deep state. Biden has called them the elites.
     
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    Ok, so follow their campaign money........to where?

    I still have no idea what this has to do with anything. Together Trump and Harris spend $3.5B and you clarified Harris spent about a third of that.

    So, the elites got their guy into the WH. Is that your point?

    Kamala was the only person who could inherit Biden's war chest, and I think that might have been the biggest reason why they stuck with her.
     
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    You can say he’s not going to as much as you want, but he is setting up his cabinet to do just that you also have to remember that he’s going to have a house and Senate behind him again. Do just that.
     
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    NASA only does Space Station and exploratory missions for science. Elon does those AND rocket missions for the US Space Force, USAF, NOAA, Strategic Development Agency, National Reconnaissance Office .
     
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    Thats not true.

    The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024,....
    Donald Trump V. Kamala Harris 2024: Which Campaign Raised More Money
     
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    I fail to see your reason to combine Harris’s and Trump’s campaign expenditures if only to create confusion and diversion?
     
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    Of course you fail. The thread it about Trump, but you insist on talking about Harris.

    The combined campaign spending was $3.5T, and Harris spent $1T of that, and somehow you think that proves the "elites" supported her. Sure looks like they pulled for your boy since they gave him more than twice the amount. And why wouldn't they pull for him, when he is one of their own. Heck, he runs a social club where members pay $1M per year membership fee to have access to him.
     
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    More disinformation Harris raised a little over a billion and is 20m in the hole. Trump campaign raised 381m and spent 345m at the last filing. NOONE RAISED NOR SPENT A TRILLION DOLLARS and Harris outspent Trump 2 to 1 and your attempt to combine them to pull a slight of hand move is laughable.
     
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    Correct, Billion, not Trillion.
     
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    So Kamula spent $1.9B and Trump $1.6B. So what?

    Donald Trump and Kamala Harris spend $3.5bn in most expensive presidential election

    FT analysis of campaign filings shows candidates raised $4.2bn in race for White House
    https://www.ft.com/content/c3613e1b-c15d-47b8-a502-400c4114c09e

    Democrat Kamala Harris and Republican Donald Trump have together spent $3.5bn in their race for the White House, making the 2024 presidential campaign the most expensive US general election in history. With the two candidates running neck and neck as voters headed to the polls on election day, final filings in mid-October show that the campaigns, outside groups and party committees have collectively raised almost $4.2bn.

    Harris outraised her Republican opponent, with groups including the Democratic National Committee and affiliated fundraising vehicles — among them Super Pacs, which can raise unlimited amounts from individuals — attracting more than $2.3bn and spending $1.9bn. Trump groups and the Republican National Committee took in just over $1.8bn and spent $1.6bn.
     
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    The reason they are outsourcing the majority of R&D at this point is because they could not do efficiently at all. Thanks to private industry, space travel is becoming more and more affordable by the day.

    I can actually thank Obama for this decision. He made it possible.
     
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    So why do you bring up Trump’s campaign expenditures albeit wrong? We’ve seen Trump’s eco plan and Harris’s and the voter sent Harris packing. What is there to discuss?
     
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    You are right. Since you have nothing to say about the topic, there is nothing else to discuss.
     
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    NASA's mission was never "space travel". It is and always was a science mission.

    The problem with funding Space-x is that SpaceX gets the government to fund their product, yet they get to keep their profits. All costs covered by you and me, and all the profits are privatized...I thought you righties wanted government out of the business community ? But yeah, Elon is self made right ?
     
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    Not sure if you are aware... but space travel is an absolute necessity to science missions. They are feathers of the same bird.

    You mean the same cost that were costing you and me $90 million per seat to fairy our astronauts into space using Russian rockets or when the Space Shuttle was cost nearly a billion per launch?

    SpaceX reusable systems are saving you and I billions on tax payers dollars that were previously going into Russian pockets. Thanks Elon!
     
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    ????? No.

    United Launch Alliance, LLC (ULA) is an American launch service provider formed in December 2006 as a joint venture between Lockheed Martin Space and Boeing Defense, Space & Security. The company designs, assembles, sells and launches rockets, but the company subcontracts out the production of rocket engines and solid rocket boosters (to Russia, not NASA).......
    The primary customers of ULA are the Department of Defense (DoD) and NASA, but it also serves commercial clients.
    United Launch Alliance - Wikipedia
     
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    The space shuttle was approx $200 million per launch……SpaceX ALONE got $185 BILLION

    Currently SpaceX gets approx $20 billion per year……
     

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