Employers Steal $15Bil From Workers Every Year

People are paid the market wage for their talents.

The only exceptions are union members and those at minimum wage who are paid above what they would get in a free market.

 

Trump has a handle of the economic issues. Progressives are tired of the establishment Democrats dragging their feet on social issues. Progressives want a more aggressive approach in dealing with social issues. There are a lot of angry progressives running for president Biden and the other so called moderate Democrats have their work cut out for them during the primary. The will attempt to shut progressives up like they did with Bernie and his base. Not going to happen this time around.

 

I predict that it will. Most Dem voters are pretty clueless and haven't figured out how to prevent what happened in their party last time. It will be a repeat.

 

In that case, the system of minimum wage is faulty from the git-go.

And yet look at the masses of Americans who try to survive on minimum wage year, after year, after year. That, my friend, is a bad system. A VERY bad system.

 

Why are you blaming the system instead of the person.
Just get a different job.

 

Yes, minimum wage depresses the competitive market for work and does not give a chance to a less educated worker willing to work hard. In other word it closes the job market for many.

 

Define a "living wage".

 

Household income is the figure of merit.

Wages are increasing at ~ 3%.

The rate of inflation is very low at 1.8% which is the lowest it's been in 4 years.

 

Of course it is disputed by the usual people again ... but they believe everything what Trump says.

But who really wonders about this situation? Trump makes the rich even richer with the usual phrase and bullshit statement that these rich people will then create more jobs for Americans ... jobs with 30k USD a year or less of course!

Meanwhile, the US government debt has grown to $ 21,400 billion ... that's 105% of the total US GDP!
Woe to the US when the biggest lender - China - wants its money back ...

Young, normal Americans ... so-called millenials ... earn 20% less than their parents at the end of the 1980's, when they were the same age! That's a fact!

 

Too many people are just drifting through life thinking the world owes them a living.
There are jobs all over, in all areas.
Get an education, or get a trade.
There is no excuse for an adult to make minimum wage.

 

Lol ... nice ... tell this the people with high College dgree who need to do 2 or 3 jobs in the US! Get it ... the American Dream is over.... and even these evil bad aliens who enter the USA via Mexico have recognized it ... or why do you think, that so few try this anymore ... as few as since 20 years not?

 

It seems to me that the fairest system would be to pay-grad the working force from the bottom up. That is to say, establish what would be required for the citizen to a meaningful life and increase pay from there up. But it looks like the U.S. is rating income from somewhere up the scale with the lowest falling away near destitution plus an enormous gap between the filthy rich and whatever level is below it. The point is, there is nothing wrong with wealth as long as it is not at the cost of others survival.

 

For you, I am sure it was over before it started.

Personally, I always liked working commission.
There is no minimum wage and you are paid for what you produce.
I was a hard worker, and made 2 times what the salary people made.

 

So this plumber is fixing a guys toilet, when he is finished he tells the homeowner.
That will be 365. dollars.

What... screamed the homeowner.
I'm a doctor and I don't make that much.

The plumber looks at him and said,

Neither did I when I was a doctor.

 

Are you living in Utopia?

 

There are people who are born, by fate, dirt poor and they cant easily get an education or a trade.

As a sideline, if you think about it 'Too many people are just drifting through life' as in half of the world population don't even have the concept of a minimum wage, thats how poor they are.

 

I'm an old codger and all I see is todays younger workers spending a lot of time checking their cell phones for messages, playing games or scanning different web sites. I can remember working at companies where all calls went through the front desk and were rerouted to your department.

 

And when you do get the call, telling the caller, I'm at work, don't call here.

 

and if you were anything like the Brits of your day then you had as many cups of tea as you could and had a go at anyone for working too hard. (apart from during the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders work in)

One thing I know for certain, workers were better protected in those days and had rights which have since been thrown away.

 

LOL. Yes, that is exactly how it was. Ahhh! back in the day.

 

I worked American shipyards most of my life and we worked hard, played hard and worked hard again. I agree that the erosion of rights gradually gave way to society's do-gooder's. I'm 78 now and still work 40 hours a week. I work for a major grocery chain now, not for the money, just to keep busy. I had quadruple bi-pass surgery last year so the slower pace suits me better.

 

This sentence

makes no sense. It sounds like someone who has totally given up on their own and is a traitor to those who came before just so that they can make their own 2p and to hell with the rest. Rights which people had given everything for, sometimes even their lives were lost due to Neo Liberalism and some people being prepared to work against their own in order to make sure they survived and to hell with the rest. Now of course in the US you are at the stage where more and more middle aged working class white people are turning to drugs and booze and increasingly suicide because they are unable to provide a decent living for their families. Only White people are affected by the loss of opportunities in this way, not black. This is because white people bought the idea of the American Dream. They believed that if they worked hard they would make it, they could achieve whatever they wanted. Being unable to provide even the most basic living for their family these white middle aged working class men believe it is their fault and that is what pushes them to drink, drugs and suicide. Black people do not go that way because they always knew they did not have this opportunity so unlike white people they do not take it as a personal failing. Unfortunately some of those wwc who managed to get the ever decreasing possibilities at ever more harsh conditions join in blaming those who now have no possibilities. They work against their own feeling so superior while the rich become ever richer and the US moves to becoming a third world country.

You of course come from the generation who had all the rights and possibilities those who came before you fought for you to have. You gave them away so that those who came after must do without.

 

Yes there is a point where small businesses can't make it anymore and forced to go out of business. But in my opinion it is not due to wages paid. But due to over regulations not to mention liability insurance that are costly, taxes, insurance and workers comp.

 

Ok. People are paid the 'market wage'. We live in a Global world where Regulations on Capitalism have undermined Democracy giving power to an ever few wealthy elite to do as they want - what some political theorists are calling a new form of feudalism. We are post Capitalism having made the people pay for the failures of those who caused the 2008 recession. Capitalism for the very rich no longer has the possibility of failure. All these new international treaties have bits which protect the ruling class which is Corporate Power.

In such a situation the 'market rate' you speak amounts to the cheapest sweat shop labour which can be obtained for the lowest price in the cheapest country. There is no possibility for talent. People are selling themselves in order to try and get a meal for tonight.

That is what your market rate is about so lets be honest about that. It is allowing the every decreasing few - 8 families now have the same wealth as half the world, to make as much money as they can out of the rest of world who are minions with no rights to do anything but work for ever decreasing amounts of money and virtually no rights. This system has no interest in talent. It is simply the lowest price the super elite can get away with paying.

Yes, here because people have joined together and presumably are involved in some employment which cannot be shipped to a third world country, some people can achieve a little more than virtual slavery - the seeming future for White America - I say white American because nothing new for those of colour who of course white America is already blaming for them losing all their rights by supporting Neo Liberalism and turning their backs on their own.

 

I never joined the union in the food industry because they had no interest on going on strike to better their lot. They were perfectly content to except what the company offered. I live in a Right To Work State. I refused to roll over and just retire. I do work 40 hours so that I don't feel sorry for myself and drink, use drugs or think about suicide. I live well. I started working when I was 12 or 13 and came from a very poor family. My sisters and myself have all been hard workers past the retirement age. It has nothing to do with race or status. Work is not a chore. If I didn't enjoy what I do I wouldn't do it.