End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

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Should Affirmative Action be ended? Including diversity considerations.

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

    11 vote(s)
    15.9%
  1. wist43

    wist43 Well-Known Member

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    Let's take these one at a time.

    If you want to talk about bias, you seem to think that only goes one way. Are not the liberals on the court biased??

    Couldn't it be said that Obama put "bias" on the court?? Sotamayor, Kagan, Ginsburg, and Breyer are disgusting!!

    Ginsburg should have been impeached years ago b/c of her contemptuous comments about the Constitution.

    How can someone who is so openly hostile toward a document be trusted to be loyal when rendering verdicts in the name of that document??

    You wanna talk about bias??

    The system was designed to thwart a single minded agenda.

    "The government which governs least is the government which governs best."

    Nothing improper about this. It is the Executive's job to protect our borders. If Congress doesn't want to do it (for political reasons I might add), then the Executive allocating already budgeted funds is perfectly proper and reasonable.
    Not a picture of a smooth running government.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes.

    Isn’t she allowed to have an opinion? Would she be the only judge who doesn’t think all of the Constitution is above reproach?

    Why is this so? What is the matter with a government which is more active? It is good to be proactive.
     
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    Sure she is, just not sitting on a court to which she has sworn an allegiance of fidelity to the document she later says she abhors.

    And her rulings bear that out. Her rulings are completely inline with political activism, and often have no Constitutional foundation at all.

    She wasn't hired to engage in political activism, she was hired to rule on the constitutionality of cases.

    For a central government, no, it is not good to be "proactive".

    The way the American system is set up, local and state governments are empowered to do many of the things the left desires. It is a federalist model.

    The beauty and genius of the American system is that governments are established to be responsive to the people's needs, but they are much closer to the people and therefore more cost effective, responsive, easier to control, and more accountable to the people than some distant, inefficient central government.

    Another benefit is that if one state embarks upon what prove to be failed policies, that state may suffer the consequences, but the other states are relatively unaffected.

    Think of it as a ship that has a series of water tight compartments. If one of the compartments is breached, the others remain intact and the ship remains afloat.

    If the ship doesn't have water tight compartments, a single breech will eventually sink the ship.

    The reason our Founders gave us this Federal Republic, is that history clearly shows that centralized government is a very, very dangerous thing.

    Democracies are inherently unstable, and power will eventually accumulate into the hands of the few. It is inevitable.

    You really should read The Federalist Papers. It lays these facts out very clearly.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Donor

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    @Sallyally in a land of the UnFree.

    Way Back,
    The Greatest State of California had a
    Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bird
    She was removed in the November 4, 1986 (recall) election by a margin of 67% to 33%. . .
    Rose Bird had a thing for her own "law" and not the State of California, Constitution.
    How many States allow "we the people" to recall a Supreme Court justice.

    @Sallyally isn't a "justice" first duty to uphold the document they are sworn to defend?
    There are lots of moral high grounds to stand within a Constitution.
    But, creating ones own, personal, high ground as a Justice is plainly wrong. eh?


    Moi :oldman:


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    Another Land of the UnFree in need of cleansing
     
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  5. Sallyally

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    Why hasn’t she been impeached then? If she is as you say?

    From where I look, the government doesn’t look as though it’s working properly.
    All through the last presidency, one branch was thwarted by another.
    Now this presidency is thwarted by it and many of the presidents initiatives are by presidential decree- almost like a king would do.
    Where is the response to the people in this? The people voted for healthcare, bridges, etc and have been given tax cuts for the rich.
     
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    @Moi621
    My area of expertise is not the American constitution, but I’m pretty sure the founding fathers, who were clever old blokes, had allowed for this.
    What terrible injustices have happened because of RBG’s particular interpretations of the Law?
    Isn’t there a minimum of three judges for each issue?
     
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    Study Up and get back to me.

    BTW I always admire the independence from this and that by a jury.
    Ref.: Peter Zenger
     
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    RBG hasn't been impeached b/c our institutions and body politic are as perverse and corrupt as she is.

    As I said to you, our system was designed to put the brakes on the ambitions of the majority or any one person or group of people.

    From the standpoint of the Constitution it doesn't matter what the people want - if in saying that you mean "the majority".

    In the U.S., if the Constitution does not authorize the government to do something, then the government simply can't do it.

    For something like healthcare?? Done properly, an amendment to the Constitution would need to be passed, and that requires 2/3 of the House of Representatives, and 3/4 of the states needed to change the Constitution.

    The way they get around the Constitution is they have snakes in the grass all throughout the judiciary, like RBG, who are at the ready to simply rubber stamp anything and everything the left wants. This has been going on since the 1930's - and the U S. is nearing the end of its ability to endure such corruption.

    Like I said, you need to read our Federalist Papers. You will learn a good deal.
     
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  9. Sallyally

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    Looks as though the executive branch does exactly as Donald trump decrees.

    Shame that your government can’t fix this glitch in the Judicial arm.
     
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    This was before your first Congress wasn’t it? What does this have to do with AA?
     
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    Since it is racism tell me what white people are institutionally disqualified from
    I don’t believe you have seen high school graduates who can’t spell their names. But then again you probably saw that on the Internet so it must be true. I have seen homeschool kids way behind average public school kids but they sure know the Bible but not their history or science
     
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    I taught my entire career .....and I know you’re exaggeration is ludicrous.
     
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    Strange that you have strong and emotional opinions on a subject you literally know nothing about.

    As I've suggested, read The Federalist Papers - in particular Federalist Paper #10 by James Madison.

    I would not presume to offer up uninformed opinions on subjects I have no knowledge of.
     
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    Is anyone "institutionally disqualified" from any government position??

    While not "disqualified", whites, and especially asians, are handicapped compared to blacks and Hispanics when it comes to college admissions and some civil service jobs.

    There's a good interview on YouTube with Thomas Sowell where he addresses this, and argues that "remedies" such as AA, are actually detrimental to minorities.

    Neverminding that they are, in fact, unconstitutional.
     
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    The Peter Zenger trial was remarkable
    because it established a Jury has independence
    beyond instructions from a Judge.
    Jury has more latitude and can tell the judge where to go.
    By it's deliberations and decision.
    BTW it is illegal to inform a jury of this power in a trial
    go figure. Lawyers don't wish jurors to know their rights.

    A Judge or Justice is more bound by the document they
    swore to defend and limited to interpreting that document.


    And I do believe I linked one trial case abovewards
    where AA was found racist, violation of the 14th, and all that
    favoring a White guy denied entry into U.C. Davis Medical School.
     
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    We must have affirmative action because blacks just can't succeed without it.

    It helps blacks succeed a little more like whites.

    Gotta throw a dog a bone every now and then,

    I think that affirmative action is a kindness without making it too awkward.
     
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    Start at 3:15




    :)



    Do :flagcanada:s Warrant A.A.?
     
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    That betta male got his puss slapped but good.
     
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    You’re an example to us all.
     
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    Perhaps consider taking heed of Dean Wormer's famous words?? ;)

    Crack a book, would ya?
     
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    With white privilege, say a white person has benefited. To what percentage? Is it 5%, 10%, 30%, 70% etc.. Those who claim white privilege, to what percentage?
     
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    in my day it was over 50%.Women and blacks were denied what white males were enjoying. White males were not denied admission to the top networking universities, all women were. African Americans were segregated etc.both groups were denied things like loans,etc
     
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    Is that why we had white male affirmative action for hundreds of years because white males couldn’t succeed without it so they had to deny women and people of color the same opportunities? It’s interesting that when Harvard denied women admission no one saw them as getting a bone thrown to hose guys. I guess they needed extra help because there were too many women and people of color who were much smarter((tongue in cheek)
     
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    I hope you realize that you are conversing with people who think racism ended when the slaves we freed and sexism never existed...
     
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