They do. They've had equal access to opportunity for many years now. Hence the success of Asians in America. Hence the success of many refugees as far back as the 1970's. Etc.
The only gap is poor high school performance. That's not the fault of 'society', nor anything at all to do with money, that's down to mom & dad's effort.
In my country, some poop-for-brains misogynists have decided that the entry mark for women to certain STEM degrees should be lowered. It's actually going to happen. It defies reason to think that this will do anything but disadvantage women. When it comes time to apply for those graduate jobs, who is any sane employer going to choose? The kid who had to do much better to gain his credentials, or the one who didn't have to be as good?
“Many people believe that selective college admissions is, or should be, purely based on academic success. But the work of admissions officers is more complicated than finding the highest test scores. It’s more like casting a movie. They want to put together an incoming freshman class that has aspiring journalists for the school newspaper, great athletes for all the teams, debaters, musicians, actors, dancers, legacies, and development prospects.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-agree-racial-affirmative-action-failed-1509058963
It boils down to who would employ them from that education. Not the "MACHINE". When I attended University of California, Irvine '68 - '70 I was dumb struck by all those Black affirmative action students who were "Black Studies" majors. Not a Science or Pre Med major among them. Very anti Main Streaming. Very Wrong.
Did you also study with academically brilliant students who became poor doctors? Is academic success the best criterion for deciding who is the best fit for a university?
Yes. If you want to do self-indulgent stuff, pay for it up front. You can still go, but you need to pay your way in. Everyone else can compete fairly and equitably via exam.
Sure, in tightly contested places such as medicine, they look for well rounded kids. But they're not looking for poets and philosophers, in saying that. They're looking for kids who play piano and are on the chess team. And I guarantee that the majority of Indian and Chinese applicants (they make up about 90% of all incoming medical students) only took those piano lessons and joined the chess club to increase their chances of acceptance into medicine. It has little to no personal meaning to them beyond that.
That's why I ran for Student Government and started a community outreach program - For The Medical School Application!
I don’t understand the outrage. We have had white male affirmative action for centuries and no one questioned whether the white men who didn’t have to compete with more than half the population were qualified.
Actually denying women access to the top universities was sanctioned sexism.was that ok? Racism would be denying white people access and they’re not denied that it’s just that some white people have to compete now and they don’t like it
“Jack DeGioia, the president of Georgetown, told us that his school has to fill more than 140 separate “buckets,” reflecting the diversity of interests and backgrounds that will create a vibrant community. Of 19,500 Georgetown applicants last year, about half were academically qualified—that is, they scored over the threshold of test scores and grades to put them into the qualified pool to fill those buckets. Standardized tests help admissions officers narrow their pools; they are still the most often used yardstick colleges have to compare applicants. But those tests are also very responsive to focused preparation. A new survey commissioned by Noodle found that Asian-American families spent more than twice as much money on test prep as any other group. This explains in part why Asian-American kids do so well on the exams. It’s not surprising that they are disappointed when their higher scores don’t result in admission to elite schools.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-a...63?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/4EgmKa1GHD
Moi, M.D. ret. And those were years of ten times the competition because of Vietnam and pursuing a PhD was not a deferment no more. So it had to work extra good because my test scores were not the best. Yes I believe in "sculpting" one's college career for future applications. After all the athletes get an extra point on their grade point average. And I could never be an athlete. So what to do to "stand out" on an otherwise mediocre application.
1. Like Animal Farm, we are finding out some animals are more equal than others. 2. It is impacting our economy. Counting noses costs money. Businesses needing insurance coverage for lawsuits or paying off in lawsuits (it is typically advisable to avoid litigation by simply paying off something, someone) costs money. End AA and the US becomes more competitive in a global market. 3. It impacts how we train our young. Our "young" are old and broke before they even start their careers. Much of the requirements for credentials is to justify who is hired rather than just hire whoever you want to hire. Get rid of AA and most people would leave brick and mortar school around 13 years of age. This too would make the US more competitive. One way to end AA? Find it un-Constitutional as the 1st Amendment provides freedom of association. You should have the freedom to hire whoever you want.
Your point? I'm sure you do have one. At this time, Asians earn more than white people, and more power to them. I'm sure they're not doing this by getting special privileges. Women have and spend more money than men. In the US, women hit 52% of US wealth in 2015 and that is expected to grow. They make some 85% of purchases. They are gifted some 85% of discretionary government handouts. Yet California passed a law requiring bigotry against men in forming Corporate boards. Should that not be an un-Constitutional violation of the 1st Amendment freedom of association?
Women make the most money? Can you tell that to Forbes? I think it is all men with the exception of Oprah and a couple of other woman perhaps. Please don’t count the wives of these rich men as their income My point is that men have had privileges for centuries and that includes networking and connections etc. do you expect women and minorities who have been denied these opportunities to suddenly become rich? Think of a race where the person on the outside lane starts ahead.would it be fair if the person in the inside lane had a head start?
Seems like you have victim envy.If you think that white men are victims of oppression and discrimination, do want women and minorities have done and start a movement instead of whining
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-now-control-more-than-half-of-us-personal-wealth-2015-4 1/2 my lineage is female. 1/2 of yours (you are female?) is male. That your grandfather may have abused my grandmother does not give you grievance rights against me. Where are we today? Today, we encourage bigotry against innocent men that make up some 95% of work place deaths in favor of women that get 85% of government discretionary funds. That is real, government enforced, bigotry. And it is against men. The war on men must be stopped in the name of decency and justice. There is a small MRA movement. With the manosphere, I think it is being heard and is growing.
The fact that I was denied admission to the best networking colleges affected me...But I fought against those and now girls are getting ahead professionally. Medical and law schools limited girls..now they’re half It didn’t happen in a vacuum and it didn’t suddenly change everything it took years. The fact that women were only offered low-paying jobs with no futures has changed ..so you think it just happened? When you are denied admissions to the top networking colleges because you are a male let us know.When you get married and are denied a credit card because you are a male let us know. When you are getting paid less for the same job, let us know. I have an idea ...don’t take a job that is dangerous and go on welfare and live a great life since you seem to envy that And I assume you’re part of the MRA movement..I’m sure you think white people are the most oppressed groups
Again, because I am a man, I will lose out on jobs and educational opportunities in favor of women that do not merit the positions as much as I do because of my sex. I'm writing, yes, that is happening. And yes, you have Joe Biden, who may be our next President, saying things like "White people do not know what it is like to be poor." Do you believe that? And the program is called, "WIC: Women Infants Children" They might append with, "but men? Go to hell." I cannot opt to just be a stay at home dad living on the government teat, getting as much as $70K in cash and benefits. So, not that you care, I'll more likely be part of the 95% of those killed in dangerous jobs in which women are virtually absent. You describe a lot of hardships faced by women in the past. My mom may have experienced it while your dad skated. What matters is, where are we today. Again, women have it pretty cushy, apparently at men's expense. That is exploitation that must stop.
