End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

It is a failure perhaps because there are other reasons why the groups involved have never had the parity that the laws seek to establish. The fact that they need those laws in the first place is degrading enough, but the fact that they can't even achieve parity with the laws is a whole other level of pathetic.

 

What is pathetic is that Progressives think that affirmative action works and is a substitute for school choice and the destruction of low income families by the welfare state.

 

And the opposite is also true. Even when discriminated against in college entry, some minorities still do better than their alleged oppressors (white people).

 

They don't really. It's a token gesture designed to cover for their unbridled hatred of brown people.

 

I would argue that success in terms of college etc has little to do with school choice, though. It's determined by what happens at home, not at school. Hence the success of NE Asians.

 

There are many low income parents who are extremely interested in their children’s education. School choice is their only alternative as they lack the resources to send their kids to private schools. The success of the tragically lottery based charter school system in NYC and the outcry over Obama’s cut backs in the Washington DC school choice program are prime examples.

 

Two wrongs make a right? Why can't our government support the concept of equality. It should treat everyone the same. It isn't a playing field.

 

Aren't a lot of people trying to reach reasonable philosophy on this board? How come they all stop at Income inequality. You yourself, can neither endorse or receive financial endorsement in a healthy environment on this planet, to denounce the inequality of incomes? They never bother to mention other issues. Philosophy its said Can go in a circle, and self-defining, but, the data -points need to become larger and larger, and less pixelated, in a well defined circle. These talking heads just say that they need income equality, lets assume the rest. I choose to assume, some baby-possessive outlook, about, those resources will only benefit me when they've arrived in My hands.

 

Discrimination, racism and sexism only exists on an individual level. Institutionally, the phenomenons are since long both shunned and criminalised which means it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that society is still racist and sexist (even more insane is to claim that it is "more sexist and racist than ever before") - We are all equal under the law and we are all equal under our human rights.

Affirmative Action is a law based on a very dangerous narrative that tells certain groups are weaker than other groups and therefore deserve special treatment. This leads to an obsession with physical attributes because it is our physical attributes thaat determine our victimhood status - Any individual who carries the "oppressed" gender or the "oppressed" race is framed as a victim who lacks both the agency and power to reach their own goals.

If you want justice you should support meritocracy. If you want to fight sexism and racism, you should stop categorising people on basis of their gender race.

End Affirmative Action now!

 

And the greatest oppressor of them all (i.e. White Men) are the ones who do worst in both school and college.

 

@Ritter naaah look.... They are controlling the general conversation in people's minds. But that still is full of stupid people, with gut check level controls, and still the Wild West. I'm on this other thread, if I quote Alabama Governor George Wallace, as an in-state student for the University of Alabama, and every Single doctor walks up to you saying 'look I dea with Christians, liberals too" , nobody gives a TINY bit that its from LIBERALS. so look I deal with blacks sometimes. "Students are why we reject applications, they're annoyed by pushing Christianity" , Dr. St John, the Christianity they brought up, that comes up from them talking about students. I figure its all feel-good junk, no money is spent on systems.

 

If it is indeed true that minorties and other intersectionally inferior groups are being deliberately discriminated against, the way to fight it is not spelled Affirmative Action becase Affirmative Action is a law that forces institutions to hire the intersectionally inferior. Since it is force that is the driving factor, the outcome is only an illusion - The minorities who earn positions do not do it because society is less racist and/or sexist, they earn them because institutions have to hand them to them. Furthermore, there is an inbuilt paradox that is that these minorities earn their positions because they are minorities which means that Affirmative Action actually makes us more racist and more sexist than we actually are.

"Levelling the playing-field" is a naive dream because it is impossible since we as individuals are not level to begin with. The largets minority in the world is the individual, so just stop making race and sex relevant and instead focus on the individual.

 

All I read is that its hurting Asian applicants, so that's ridiculous. So, I need a black man who's going to fail because he's not ready so I can pass over some 4.0 GPA Asians , was the example.

 

Arguably those that support affirmative action are racists.

 

Anytime a person with lower qualifications is advanced over another because of race it’s unjust. BTW “social justice” is unjust. Think it through.

 

That ^^^ is hilarious. Too funny.

 

The very high ranking public academic schools in America have a high proportion of students from lower income families. In my country that's even more the case (we have more public academic schools than America).

It really has nothing to do with money, or whether your child attends public or private. A determined parent will make any school work. A very determined parent will make even a bad school work well enough to get their kid to Ivy League acceptance.

 

POST OF THE WEEK!

 

Another excellent post! The psych/social anthropology is plain to see, Rittz.

We can assume the 'educators' among us lack this informed wisdom. Or are too ideological at this point to see anything clearly.

 

It's not arguable.

 

Nah, it is obviously us, as non-educators, who lack wisdom and who are just too extremist to see anything clearly.

Cheers.

 

Explain that to the low income parents whose kids were excluded from the NYC success academies because they missed the lottery. Explain that to the parents in Washington DC whose kids were dropped from the charter schools that Obama shut down.

A low income parent is powerless.

 

Entry to academic schools is not via lottery, it's via exam. Money/luck has nothing to do with it .. that's the point of such schools.

 

Yes.

It's racist, and lowers standards.

 

Last year there were ~ 18,000 applicants for the ~ 3300 spots in the NYC success academies which are charter schools.