Enlisted Military Ranks as one of the worst jobs

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  1. Dropship

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    Hey, I wonder if any unpopular people like him got "accidentally" fragged in the field?
    Did it ever happen?
     
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    He just hated officer candidates.

    That's probably not a crime.
     
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    Who accidentally gets fragged ?

    Source:

    Professionalism Versus
    Managerialism in Vietnam
    -> http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1981/jan-feb/gabriel.htm#gabriel
     
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    I meant the perpetrator could make it look like an accident..:)
     
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    One has to wonder how many deaths in Vietnam that were listed as accidental were actually murder ?
     
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    Yeah, if an officer is nasty and unpopular, sooner or later there's probably going to be an "accidental discharge" in his direction..;)
     
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    Or a SNCO who were called "lifers" back in the day.
     
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    It must have been Hell being in Viet Nam where the locals did not want you there, the troops did not want to be there, the VC all hid in spider holes after hit and run tactics, and the generals, colonels, captains and lieutenants were all trying to play king of the hill and capture the flag while running up body counts for Westmoreland and LBJ.

    I think I would have told my platoon let's stay alive and get back home. To do that we needed to hunt for the spider holes and burn them all out. And fokk the hill. And fokk the flag. And eat the apple but fokk the core.
     
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    I suspect that the SNCO's in Viet Nam knew what was going on there, but the officers and anybody new in-country was always totally in the dark.
     
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    Well today is my regular day to go to the indoor range and blast targets from 3 to 25 yards with my 45ACP so that in case I have to draw and shoot it on the street that I don't miss. Have a great Friday my brothers in arms. Have some tequila. Today is a great day for it.
     
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    Its very much like todays fighting in the middle east. Add crippling rules of engagement and inadequate support from rear units to make it even worse.

    Our military is a military of conquest, not occupation. If it isnt moving forward, its failing.
     
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    Well at least the guys in the Middle East have overwatch.

    However the M-16's and the M-4's are poorly designed for desert ops.
     
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    And during the Iraq war Marines and soldiers didn't like having a JAG officer second guessing them every time they pulled the trigger.

    1/2 of the casualties in Afghanistan from 2009 to 2016 can be traced back to Obama's politically correct Rules of Engagement that favored the enemy and caused American troops to bleed and die in the name of political correctness.
    I concur.

    During the build up for the first Gulf War (Desert Storm) the Marine Corps Association < https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/about > in it's "Marine Corps Gazette" < https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette > ran an article that Marine Corps HQ's was seriously dabbling with the idea of taking the M-14's in storage and reissuing them to the combat arms Marines where they could engage the enemy out to 800 meters and kill them.

    There were already known issues about AR action rifles like the M-16 discovered at 29 Palms that the M-16 has issues in a desert environment, with sand and dust and also doesn't have the stopping power or range and accuracy beyond 500 yards.

    But the idea was quickly **** canned because it would take to long to train the current Marines with the M-14 and at the time and still true today most of the Marines never fired a real high power rifle before and all they knew was the M-16 pea shooter that has little recoil.

    The fear was that the Marines would become gun shy and flinch every time they pulled the trigger.

    The M-16 has 1/2 the recoil of a M-14 and the M-14 has a pretty good kick when you pull the trigger.

    The M-1 Garand even has a bigger kick to it.

    The 03-Springfield kicks like a mule.

    It takes real men to master and shoot a real man's infantry rifle.
     
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    I had the chance to shoot a Garand in a club shooting contest.

    It was correctly designed for long range shooting across no man's land -- a WW2 gun designed for WW1 applications.

    The M-14 was similarly designed for WW2 applications and then used for Viet Nam. Everyone was expecting the next war to be in Europe again but against the Russians ... it never happened.

    While the 223's are fine for jungle ops the Stoner design is pure crap.

    So I am hoping that the next battle gun (whether rifle or carbine) will NOT be a Stoner design.
     
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    There are three types of actions for semi-auto and full auto rifles, machine guns and semi auto pistols.
    Blow back action.
    Recoil action.
    Gas operated action.

    Gas operated actions either have a gas tube with a piston inside the tube that cycles the action like the M-1, M-14, FN's, etc. have.
    While the Armalite actions (AR) has a small gas tube (no piston) where the gas travels down the tube operating the cycle of ejecting the spent cartridge and feeding a new cartridge into the chamber.

    The problem with the ARs is... where is all of that gas going ? Into the moving parts of action and the trigger housing group that eventually fouls the action and requires cleaning.

    I've never been a big fan of the M-16 or any AR but one thing I like about AR's they have a rotating bolt.

    I like the Ruger Mini-14's ...they use a short stroke gas piston.

    The problems with the 223's is, the bullet is so small and light that if the bullet travels through brush the bullet is deflected.

    One of the big improvements made on the M-16 A1 was the M-16 A2 and it's rear sights. The post M-16 A1 M-16's have two rear sights. One battle sight for close range combat with a large rear sight aperture and a long range rear sight with a small aperture like M-1 Garands and M-14's have.

    M-16 A2 rear sights.

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    Rear sight

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    (Left) Unmarked aperture (Right) Windage kn
     
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    We learned about blowback, recoil, and gas systems in NROTC.

    And they contrasted the M-14 piston system with the M-16 direct infusion method.

    Back then when both weapons were both still in the inventory they were praising the M-16 system as having less moving parts and capable of faster cyclic rate of fire.

    I never liked the M-16's nor did most of my colleagues.

    I've always loved the M-14's and the M-1 Carbine's and the Ruger Mini's.

    When the first Mini 14 came out by Ruger I grabbed one right away.

    I have owed one ever since.
     
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