Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges

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  1. ButterBalls

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    Clearly :nod:
     
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    The beauty of all conspiracy theories is that they never require any any facts or empierical evidence.
    Only the minimal amount of imagination.
     
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    The question then is: What training do the teachers have to detect issues involving odd behavior?
     
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    That article is quoting the prosecution. The defense lawyers did not "change the story about the gun being locked up." The prosecution claims it was unlocked. The defense claims it was locked. They disagree about this, but the defense has not been inconsistent in their claim, at least on that front. Their story has not changed.
     
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    I'm just trying to provide some correction on misstated facts. I'm pretty appalled at the "parenting" of this couple, from what I know about it thus far. And there's more I'd like to know: if the parents' story is true that the gun was "locked", how did Ethan ever get it? Was it locked but Ethan had been given possession of the key? Was it locked with the key sitting next to it in the drawer? Was it locked up and he picked / broke the lock? Each of those shows different levels of culpability of the parents, as it would if the prosecution's claim turns out to be true and the gun was left "unlocked".
     
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    In the 911 call the mother said that the drawer was unlocked
    I am sure this issue will be resolved during the court proceedings.
    I am totally in favor of all the true facts in this case being presented no matter what the outcome.
    Perhaps you agree?
     
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    I can respect that.
    I hope we both agree that all of the facts need to be made public.
     
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    Yes, I agree.
     
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    That is the big question if they want to go down this road. How far should they go trying to blame those who didn’t pull the trigger? Sure, without the gun the odds are he wouldn’t have shot anyone. And he wouldn’t had a reason to shoot anyone if kids at the schools didn’t push over the edge. Loads of kids have access to guns and never shoot anyone just like loads of bullied kids never act out on their anger and deal with it in other ways.

    Has he always been a monster or did he get pushed into being one?
     
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    Rep Massie (R) family says Merry Christmas to Michigan.

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    Nope. No guns on my nightstand…or under my pillow….
     
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    That doesn't mean anything. It wasn't a forensic legal statement. Maybe the BR door or drawer were locked. Or maybe the locked gun case was in the drawer. Who knows. At any rate, they weren't charged with having an unlocked gun, which to my knowledge isn't even a crime. Clearly had either the Parents or administrators thought he had a gun with him, they would have searched for and removed it. Just because most Parents blame themselves to a degree for their childrens failures, it doesn't mean that the public should blame the Parents. In fact, it means the public should lend comfort to the Parents who are already carrying a boatload of guilt and grief for their Sons actions. I don't understand why so many Americans seem to have a blood lust or a thirst for a lynching. Even the Prosecutors made public charges against the Parents without the Sheriffs knowledge or having anyone in custody.
     
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    Yes but they aren't a problem unless they evolve into a public lynching.
     
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    :roflol:
    Get REAL...:bored:

    The vids will most likely NEVER be seen by the general public...
    Bigfoot has the Footage...
     
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    Exactly.

    Then again, maybe JFK Jr. is STILL Alive (because nobody ever saw the dead body)?
    ^Maybe he is the person holding up the release of this footage?

    And, maybe Sheriff Bouchard is just patsy for The Illuminati?
    The Plot Thickens...
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    The videos will almost certainly be used by the prosecution at Ethan's trial, and become part of the public record at that point.
     
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    NOT if they are only shown in the presence of the Jury (and not released publicly).

    Which is usually the case when video footage contains a graphic murder or evidence of a rape (such as the videotaped rape of an unresponsive woman).
    Just b/c it is used as evidence at the trial, that DOESN'T (neccesarily) mean that the Surveillance Video (from inside Oxford HS) will become accessible to anyone.

    In fact, my default assumption would be that it NEVER Becomes "Public".
    And, is only viewed for "strictly necessary legal purposes" (by law enforcement, lawyers, and the Jury).
     
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    Experience dealing with young kids is the best training. In this case the picture was more than enough for school officials to be concerned rightfully so. It's just too sad both school officials and the parents handled this situation poorly. People are not computers and don't need to be programmed. "Situational Awareness" is not something you teach, it is learned through experience.
     
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    Hopefully a search warrant was used to verify the locked weapon claim by the defense. There should be evidence of a "lock" of some kind and a key for the lock. The parents should be asked specifics about where the gun was locked up and the key needed to unlock it. If should easy to prove this one way or another.
     
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    Would you just walking away leaving your child at school after being told about this? This is why the parents were called to the school.

    The illustration showed a "semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words 'the thoughts won't stop help me,'" and it included a drawing of a bullet with the words "blood everywhere" written above it, she said. The words "my life is useless" and "the world is dead" were also written on the drawing.
     
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    I think of equal importance in your posting was that the parents handled this situation poorly; all too often the responsibility is placed on the faculty and administration where the parents are the first line of defense if you will and should be the first to notice that something is wrong.
     
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    Agreed. Just as a point of information, the story is that the pistol was bought only a few days before the shooting, from an FFL. My understanding is SIG, like pretty much all brands, includes a gun lock with their new pistols. It's possible that a search won't find this lock, but I think it's likely it will, and unless Ethan did something weird like re-lock it and replace the key from wherever it was after taking the gun, I'm not sure how much information there is to gleaned by the physical evidence of the gun lock. If it was physically destroyed, for example cut with a hack saw, that'd probably be a bit of evidence leaning in the parents' favor.
     
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    Eh, maybe. I admit, it's an area of law I'm not particularly familiar with. Here's a layman's explanation from the Michigan state records website:

    Michigan Court Records | StateRecords.org

    The technical aspects of the law are contained here: Michigan Legislature - Act 442 of 1976

    That's of course only for access from the general public. Ethan's defense team should receive a copy of all video evidence the state intends to use against him during the discovery process before trial, and obviously there are school officials, cops, and prosecutors with access to those videos today. I can't imagine it would do anything but harm Ethan's defense severely to have it leaked to the public prior to trial, but leaks do happen.
     
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    As the rest of my post made clear, I must have been hearing them talk about the parents, who did go on the run, and mistakenly thought they were talking about the kid. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I am willing to accept that it had been my mistake.
     
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