EU Anti China Coalition

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  1. James California

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    ~ Will Germany and other EU members revolt against Chinese Communist Party ? So far it appears so . An Anti China Coalition has been formed by several EU members to stand against the deceptive and irresponsible actions of the Chinese government.
    Things could get very difficult for the CCP.

     
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    Complicated topic and, as always, we only see and hear a fraction of the whole story as we hardly ever see what's happening behind closed doors.
    Based on what I've read in the recent past, China fears for its reputation around the world due to the pandemic and has already tried to influence German members of parliament demanding them to speak in favour of China in the European press, fortunately that didn't happen, they simply said no. We can see how China reacts to those that confront Beijing when we look at Australia which demands an international investigation on the worldwide spread of the virus and its outbreak and is now facing severe economic pressure from China.

    Italy has become, to a certain degree, a member of China's new silk road project with which president Jinping is trying to gain influence in Europe and other Asian countries. German foreign minister Maas has publicly warned his European colleagues that China is not a friend to be trusted and one should look very carefully before accepting Chinese money. Unfortunately, some economically striken countries like Greece and Italy have accepted several Chinese offers. Other countries, Germany, Austria, Netherlands, etc. are a lot more reluctant and don't seem to be interested in any further cooperation other than what's already there.
    The pandemic has made it painfully clear that western countries are too dependent on China when it comes to the production of certain goods and quite a few people in the EU have already demanded a return of production to Europe as far as essential goods are concerned.
    Official politics for the press & the cameras and real politics are two different things. I'm absolutely sure that many leaders in the West are fully aware of China's intentions and know that they are not to be trusted.
    That youtube channel seems to be awfully one-sided and pro India.
     
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    ~ It is indeed a news outlet from India .
     
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    It makes one wonder who ultimately will be responsible for the maintenance of the financial responsibility when it falls due - it seems from the past that the ECB has been "happy" to take on the role of "guarantor" to Southern European debt issues therefore is this just Greece and Italy etc al accessing "easy money" knowing that the responsibility for financial responsibility will fall on German shoulders?
     
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    ~ I hope that this entire scenario backfires on China. I believe that it will. If the USA takes the position that China intentionally put other nations in harms way and holds them financially responsible this will encourage other nations to follow suit. This could cause the CCP to disintegrate. That would we good for the entire world.
     
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    China doesn't give "easy credits" to Greece or Italy and if they, for whatever reason, cannot pay them back, German taxmoney has to bail them out. Fortunately it doesn't work that way.
    China is investing (and they have been doing so in Africa for roughly a decade) massively in the infrastructure in said countries. They simply buy airports, seaports, key facilities, etc, and Greece is interested in exporting agro-products to China as well as privatizing state owned coperations. Beijing wants to use Greece as a door to the EU as part of their new silk road project and Piraeus is to become the new Chinese key port in Greece, 800 mill have been invested already with probaly 600 mill more in the next couple of years.
    But probably more importantly, China wants to be able to put their trade partners under political pressure if need be, they want political influence. The more dependent a country is, the more pressure China can use. It's a rather simple, "From now on, you will do as we say." Jinping has openly said that he wants China to become the number one superpower and in order to do so, he needs "puppet countries" that act as he says. And Greece has already done as China said (see last link).

    https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/griechenland-china-101.html
    https://www.dw.com/de/china-hat-viel-vor-in-griechenland/a-51190253
    https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2017-11/griechenland-schuldenkrise-investitionen-china/seite-2


    IMO, the biggest threat to the West in the next couple of decades will probably be China's hyper aggressive trade policy. Don't get me wrong, trade policy is pretty much always aggressive and everybody thinks about their own benefits first, but China's behaviour seems to have a new quality. That's why I think it's essential for the West and the EU to get their act together. Any kind of conflict and strife within the West is good for China. As a unified entity, Europe (the EU) can oppose China in these questions, individual countries like Greece, if they act on their own, are a bit like an out of shape light weight boxer trying to confront Mike Tyson in his prime. Bad idea.
     
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    ~ If countries that suffer financially from Wuhan virus decide seizure of China owned property is proper to mitigate loss that -along with a pull-out of foreign manufacturing in China - could begin a collapse the Chinese Communist Party.
     
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    DON’T TRUST CHINA. CHINA IS ASHOLE. Satellite data suggests coronavirus may have hit China earlier: Researchers.
     
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    As well it should! But trusting Europe to show spine strikes me as a long shot.

    DONT TRUST CHINA. CHINA IS ASHOLE. GOP Report: China’s Coronavirus Cover-up Turned ‘a Local Pandemic Into a Global Pandemic.’

    The headline of course refers to the Communist People’s Republic on the mainland, and not the well-run Republic of China on Taiwan.

    The goods from China may have a cheap price tag, but in real terms, their goods are the most expensive in the world.
     
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    ~ Very true. However Australia seems to be holding a stand against China. We shall see...
     
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    The Aussies are our brothers from another mother.
     
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    ‘Naive’ Europe must snub China if it refuses market access, says ex-Nato chief.

    But he called on Europe to prepare to take a stronger stance and move parts of its supply chains from China to “stable and reliable” alternatives if China failed to offer reciprocity for the European Union.​

    “Europeans have been too naive for too long,” said Rasmussen, a former prime minister of Denmark who led Nato, the transatlantic security alliance, from 2009 to 2014.​

    “We had all hoped that we could live harmoniously and that over time engaging with China would lead to it being more like Hong Kong. Unfortunately, under [Chinese President] Xi Jinping it is Hong Kong that has become more like China.”​

    The EU tends to act mercantilist when negotiating with the US, but too often bends the knee for China.
     

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