Europe ‘would struggle to put 25,000 troops on the ground in Ukraine’

Yeah...well, one man's.... Opinion. That's what many books are written upon...is opinions.

Anything else you want shot down?

 

Butler's comments in 1935 have little to do with 90 years later.

 

An example of a 'stupid post' would be like claiming Russia was interfering in Russia.....Chechnya is part of Russia, FYI.

 

No, I didn't say USSR had nothing to do with communist takeovers. That thought never entered my mind, but of course that's a true statement. I'm saying I don't expect politicians or governments from either side to be angels. Politicians are the lowest of the low, both sides.

But I do say that in the case of Ukraine, it's very clear that NATO has been encroaching on Russian borders for decades, and that it has committed military aggression by way of overthrowing the legitimately elected government of Ukraine. It's clear that Russia has been trying to find a diplomatic solution to this encroachment for years, but the west would not go along with diplomacy.

 

You think joining NATO is an encroachment? I do not. NATO did not overthrow the government.

 

Gawd, so many posters afflicted with the inability to comprehend. Joining NATO is not the problem, it's that NATO is the aggressor.

 

Last I checked NATO isn't destroying cities...RuZZia is.

 

You avoid and deny history Zoom. It's almost like you get paid to do so.

 

So Russia's invasion in 2014 was not an act of aggression?

 

What Russian cities were destroyed by NATO to provide the justification for Russia to destroy Ukrainian ones?

 

That's not what I asked.

The question was...what cities did NATO destroy?

 

It is aggression to force a change in government by the use of military force...think Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979.

The change in government in Libya was entirely the work of Libyan rebels. Nato simply stopped the slaughter of mostly civilians by Gadaffi's security forces. Nato did not cause a change in government in Serbia...the air compaign stopped the slaughter of Albanians by the Serb army.

The change in government in Kyiv had nothing to do with NATO or the US. The people there were tired of the corruption. They demonstrated against a government that had vetoed an agreement with the EU in favor of a deal with Moscow.

 

It's more than your mind allows you to grasp.

 

Yup...zero.

 

So supplying weapons to a nation invaded by its larger neighbor is aggression?