Europe accepts Ukrainian Refugees

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  1. Lil Mike

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    Leftists are angry that nationalist governments that have not been accepting of Syrian and other refugees are taking in Ukrainians.

    For Ukraine’s Refugees, Europe Opens Doors That Were Shut to Others

    WASHINGTON — Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has pushed tens of thousands of people out of their homes and fleeing across borders to escape violence. But unlike the refugees who have flooded Europe in crises over the past decade, they are being welcomed.

    Countries that have for years resisted taking in refugees from wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are now opening their doors to Ukrainians as Russian forces carry out a nationwide military assault.


    No! They are taking the wrong ones!

    That means thousands will end up in countries led by nationalist governments that in past crises have been reluctant to welcome refugees or even blocked them.

    “It’s different in Ukraine than in countries like Afghanistan,” he was quoted as saying during an interview on a national TV program. “We’re talking about neighborhood help.”


    Of course the difference is, which the NYT will never understand, is that the 2015 Syrians were not really refugees. They were mostly military aged men who left wives and children in Syria to travel half way around the globe to cash in on the largess of European social services. The Ukrainian refugees are mostly women and children. Ukrainian men of military age are not allowed to leave the country. They are expected to fight for their country.

    Don't expect Biden to let many of them in.
     
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    I am waiting for Ben & Jerry's to ban Russia for attacking Ukraine
     
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    You seem really desperate to find ways to hate on "leftists." I mean, REALLY desperate.
     
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    Syrians really were refugees. The massive difference is Ukraine already has an army, and the west is giving them utterly massive military aid by the 100's of millions of dollars. The Syrians who took it up against Asad and ISIS never got something remotely close to that. So when the Ukraine army used them fancy stingers against Russian choppers and jets. The Syrians saw Assad drop barrels of oil ignite on top of them, without any means to do something about it. The comparison is just utterly stupid, borderline Islamophobic. It's only logical that the only thing those Syrians could do was leave, and so they did.
     
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    How so?
     
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    They left to Europe? That would be like the Ukrainian refugees heading to India.

    As far as Syria goes, my point was that military age males are not really refugees, particularly when they leave their wives in children in Syria. Meanwhile Ukrainian men are taking their children to the border and turning back. The difference seems clearly obvious to me.
     
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    Wait, aren't we the only ones who are racist:
     
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    For the most part this claim is absurd and ridiculous. There are exceedingly few black people in Ukraine. Most of them are students who came from other countries.
    Presumably they could go back to the country that they came from, which is not the same case for the other refugees fleeing Ukraine. These other countries are concerned that these Black refugees are not coming from Ukraine but might just be trying to sneak in from some other part of the world along with the rest of the refugees. If these Black refugees can speak flawless Ukrainian or have a Ukrainian passport, there shouldn't be a problem.
     
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    Western Ukraine has been in long and amical negotiations with the EU for preparation to join the EU and NATO.
    That is why Putin lost his marbles.
    W. Ukraine has always been considered European after it threw off Russian control.
    Tens of thousands of Europeans have Ukranian families there.

    Unfortunately not enough people saw the photos of bombed out cities in Syria, with apartment blocks looking like 9/11 had just happened.
    The EU did find some sort of solution in Turkey which is now housing hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees, since Jordan is full of other refugees.
    It is Europe that bears the largest weight of the wars in the Middle East.
     
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    You will be waiting for a very long time. It will never happen but if it is anything to do with BLM they will be the first to throw support.
     
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    The left and Democrats make themselves look and sound bad everyday. It makes for great discussion.
     
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    There's a question of how much their home countries can help out:
     
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    The comparison remains an utter dumb ignorant piece of manure.
    The Syrians men were unarmed, and unable to join an army to fight an army.
    While the Ukrainian men are armed with equipment worth 100's of millions and joined an existing army.

    I do not see you denying this.
    You're just upset the Syrian men are smart enough to not join a gunfight with a knife.
     
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    So that's why they left their wives, children, and mother's behind!
     
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    They took the difficult path full with deadly encounters to find a safe place, and than contacted their families to come over.
    That's how it works.

    And I again don't see you disputing that the comparison between Ukraine and Syria is just nuts. It's hinges on islamophobia to between the lines accusing Syrian men to be cowards for not willing to fight Assad where Ukrainians are willing to take up a fight. While the thing is that the Syrians were not able to fight, since nobody gave a damn about them. You not responding to your previous point is rather telling.
     
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    And others who were angry about taking in Syrians are now accepting Ukrainians.

    You can always find people who oppose or agree, and then pretend they speak for the entire "right" or "left". The perpetual right/left mindset (which you demonstrate) pretty much mandates that way of thinking, and it blinds the mind of the reality.

    I think US will let many in.

    Sure seems that way.
     
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    Thinking that it makes sense to leave your families in a dangerous war zone so you can flee to safety "and than contacted their families to come over" later only makes sense to someone who doesn't have a family.


    Your entire point basically boils down to two things:

    1. Islamaphobia
    2. Arabs don't know how to get guns.

    The US spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to do that, but you have to have willing bodies.
     
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    It's not a dangerous warzone when you comply with Asad. The travel from Syria to the EU is dangerous.
    I think we all know that epic pic of that toddler, dead and face down on the beach.

    Aha. It's indeed not Islamophobic, but racist... since you think it's a "Arab" thing that they can't get guns. And what it boils down to is that any idiot can spot the difference that joining your own army with 100,000's of millions of aid to fight a foreign army is totally not like fighting your own army with no aid at all. It is telling that you flat out keep ignoring this for the sake to push that anti-Arab agenda of yours.
     
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    The ""Arab" thing that they can't get guns" was your suggestion! I don't think it's racist but if you think your suggestion was racist, then you need to search deep in your heart and root that hate out.

    Meanwhile it seems your basic argument is that military age males leaving wives, and children in a war zone is perfectly logical. I think I'll just your comment there.
     
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    Obviously they weigh the risk and act accordingly. Thousands have died trying to cross the Mediterranean and majority of the dead have been women and children. Maybe even you'd leave them at a camp in a neighboring country and go to Europe and have them picked up safely. It sounds like a pretty desperate situation, but obviously you see it as something entirely different through your political lenses, which is why you try to paint them as cowards who abandon their families.

    Either way, this thread is about Ukrainian refugees, which number about 880 000, and its only Day-5.
     
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    I would believe Assad dropped barrels of oil ignite on top of anyone, no more than I would believe that Russia bombed 7 non-existent hospitals in Syria. Assad was supporting and protecting Christians in Damascus and parts of Aleppo, while we supported ISIS and Al Nusra who according to religious sources, were killing Christians at an average of 300 a day.

    Watch and learn.



     
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    I wonder how many are military age males?
     
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    The Syrian men had money, and always came with their families. The single men who are smuggled onto the Greek islands by the Turkish human traffikers are economic migrants (hopefully), and are given fake Syrian passports in Turkey. I say hopefully for who knows how many are terrorists.

    They are not really refugees since it's only temporary. They will return to Ukraine when the fighting stops. Russia opened highways and corridors so the people could flee the city so as not to be used as human shields and also not to be caught in the crossfire. They did that in Syria as well. In contrast, we bombed Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in Syria in 3 days. I guess to save ammunition and to rid the world of all the 'untermenchen' at the same time.

    And here are the refugees from Ukraine in 2014:


    Ukraine's million displaced - by Imogen Foulkes, Geneva

    Many of those who have fled the violence have not registered with the Ukrainian authorities: doing so does not guarantee they will receive any aid, and some young men apparently fear they will be recruited into the Ukrainian army if they declare themselves.


    At the same time more than 800,000 Ukrainians, mainly ethnic Russians, have crossed the border into Russia. Others are fleeing to Poland, Belarus, or the Baltic states.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29029060



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    No, obviously they don't always have money and the whole argument here is that they do not come with their families.

    That remains to be seen.

    "Military age" in many countries = 17 - 55, so I would assume quite a few are "military age". Well, at least you admit you don't know how many.
     
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