EU's Rhetoric

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    It's not very complicated, it's just shameless and embarrassing.
     
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    I think Germany has a massive current account surplus and needs to spend more money in Germany...
    What better way than transferring bailout cost to Germany who lent it, and let Greece keep what Germany gave them, and then paying that money to the IMF should also pay back the IMF, save Greece, save the Euro, and solve this massive current account surplus in Germany.
     
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    It's amazing when answers stare at you in the face but the European Parliament is stupid, they wouldn't have me; they take their balls and they dip them in cocaine and rub them all over each other, not my style if you're running a ****ing government of unelected bureaucrats bent on having what they've seen on TV come out of Hollywood but can't because they're stuck in Europe.

    I owe Rick and Morty (Adult Swim TV Show) for helping me articulate this for everybody.
     
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    Sorry, that's just wrong. A statement like that is much too superficial and it's simply incorrect. Some Germans are very patriotic, others a bit, some not at all. I live in Germany, and I've already explained that patriotism is viewed slightly differently than in some other western countries.
    I have friends in/from the Netherlands, England, France and Brazil, and - strangely enough - all of them told me they didn't like what they called typical American patriotism because they thought it was too arrogant (so much for "only Germany views patriotism as aggressive"). Simplifying things doesn't help in any way and it doesn't make sense either, IMO.



    You seem to be misinformed regarding what NATO countries agreed upon. Here it is, from NATO's website itself.
    Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level (2 % of GDP) will:
    • halt any decline in defence expenditure;
    • aim to increase defence expenditure in real terms as GDP grows;
    • aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade with a view to meeting their NATO Capability Targets and filling NATO's capability shortfalls. http://www.nato.int/cps/cn/natohq/official_texts_112964.htm
    It says "within a decade". The meeting was in 2014, add a decade and you have 2024. Still seven years time to meet the targets. There is nothing about a promise.
    Officials sitting at a table and talking about a (hypothetical) European army is money wasted that otherwise NATO would benefit from? I don't share your views here at all.
     
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    The EU army is an aim to reach sometimes in the future, today some EU countries are just talking about efficiency in spending their military budgets. All money spend for european defence initiatives counts for the NATO obligation, there are no different budgets.

    The 27 remaining EU countries have a military budget of over 200 billion € and over 1 million soldiers but the fighting power is a joke, because they pay far too much for redundant structures.
     
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    I lived in Hamburg for 10 years, Osnabruck for 6 years and in terms of patriotism (however you want to define that) who can say theres any significant difference from your average German to your average Brit or Frenchman in terms of how they percieve their country? All I know is that the average German is proud of his/her country and the place its carved itself in the world and quite rightly so.
    Is there a confusion here between patroitism and jingoism?
     
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    Good points. IMO, way too many people rely on some kind of simplified bumper sticker definition and take it from there (unfortunately, very common among our yank friends on this board for instance). It seems very often personal perception becomes some kind of general "that's the way it is" rule. For possible comparions (question is: does it make sense?), one could look at international studies and polls. I read a bit about that in S. Huntington's books where he quotes some of these studies.
    Regarding Germany, quite a few political commentators, authors, intellectuals, historians etc. say the football world cup from 2006 changed a few things here and everything regarding this topic became more carefree. I have heard/read that notion of 'patriotism is taboo in Germany' before and have always found it not only completely absurd but simply not true.
     
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    The EMF advised Germany against breaking article 125 and the Germans decided to back the Euro.
     
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    It was a case of Germany thinking about the EU at any cost, because the German system depends on it.
     
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    The EU is undemocratic; a German might lie and say this is just British propaganda, but in reality, the EU isn't democratic.
     
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    Don't knock it until your country learns about it.
    It's called being a patriot first.
     
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    The UK wants to play the field again.
    Yet our ex doesn't want to give us anything in the divorce, plus wants the house.
     
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    you mean hard brexiteers want to drag the UK into a being a third world country

    which of course all Brexiteers were well aware would be what would happen if they voted to leave the EU. You made your choice. Unfortunately 37% of the electorate of the UK are destroying the future for their children and grandchildren and all for their xenophobia - or desire to make London Independent and run off with England's gold. Pure selfishness usually hits back.
     
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    :roll: Nobody is xenophobic (talk about 'dog-whistle scaremongering'!), we're worried that our social services and health infrastructure won't be able to support the prospective numbers. Already they're falling apart, and there's a severe housing deficit, and that's only with the numbers we already have. FFS!
     
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    No one said Britain wants to be a third world country, when talk of lucrative tax havens in London for access to Euros.
    The EU is not a country and should recognise the City of London trading Yen and US Dollars too.
    The EU just shamelessly wants to become banana republic with its currency.
    London predates Great Britain, what right does the EU think it has to tell The City what it can and can't do without the EU becoming a banana republic saying you must be in the EU to issue Euros.
    It was the city of London that paid too for DM to be alligned with everyone so the EU's Euro can happen.
     
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    It's true, the City of London predates England which predates Great Britain which predates the EU.

    Where does the EU get off being a Banana Republic with its currency stopping London from doing what it does best?
     
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    Stop coveting our gold, what are they, socialist? j/k, but, for real, it's no happy accident this north south economic divide, and it's not some unfair discrimination. It's just London makes money, so much money, and the rest of the country doesn't.
    Nothing's stopping them and they may argue London has it all so they can't... but London made what it's got.
     
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    There is no way, zero way you can try not to claim being an xenophobe. It is a mild term to give to you. You were involved supporting a thread which was of the disgusting type of racism only found in Stormfront. You were clapping your hands. You personally are one of the absolute worse.
     
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    The General election paused for a day to remember Jo Cox murdered because she was not a Brexiteer
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39987325

    Do you want reminding of the rest of the hate crime committed by Brexiteers after they got what the wanted and are determined to take the UK down the sewer.

    You cannot possibly say that Brexiteers do not have a large proportion of xenophobes in it. Admittedly there were also others who had not a clue and thought maybe a change would be good but now they with their one vote have sold this country and will need to live with the consequences as they are determined on an extreme Brexit despite the reality it will ruin us. I think probably it is good for the neo cons and Corporate Power they will just have an absolute field day. Brexiteers as people have admitted here, voted not on any knowledge of Policies, just voted because they felt powerful for a day. One thing they most certainly did not do and that is give a damn for their country.
     
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    That was really one poster on here. He claimed to have voted for Brexit because he hoped it would after result in London going for Independence as he knew they were going to go off with England's resources. He did not say the bolded bit but his plans did.
     
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    I don't think you're British now, just, Jo Cox though sad, but just a murder, nothing political, that killing did not have the satisfaction of being political no matter what the killer ranted in the docks in court about it, it was ruled he was no one doing nothing and he killed an MP because he was mentally disturbed, then I think they added in 'you've got to be mentally disturbed to do what he did'..
    She's dead now, she never lived to vote and one pissed off yokel with a shotgun means **** but the loss of someone in Westminster, do you understand me?
     
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    Now wake up.

    The Euro belongs in London too, ain't no way, no how we're not getting it.
    It's a case of being selfish by denying Global Britain.
     
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    If Independence for London ever happens, it happens, and I for one hope London keeps what it makes if that ever happened. We're talking about 24 hour gyms...
    (Who wouldn't want that)?

    I saw 24 hour gyms promised if London ever becomes independent once..
     
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    As far as possible anyone who wants independence should have it.
    Anyone who claims "national ownership" of other peoples stuff, should not have it. And indeed should be loudly ridiculed.

    I've had people come up to me and rant on about how my home, my house, that I worked for and bought and maintain with my hands at my expense each day... belonged to the nation. It bloody well does not.
    And nor does anyone else's.

    London doesn't belong to the nation. It belongs to individuals who are collectively described as being part of "a nation".
    The nation itself is not a person. It owns nothing.
     

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