Euthanasia

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  1. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Good way to let everyone know how ya want yer final arrangements handled
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    Before euthanasia, man posts funeral details on LinkedIn
    Oct 18, 2015 | A 57-year-old terminally ill businessman -director of a firm -has used his LinkedIn profile to announce the dates of his death next week and funeral before he ends his own life at a Swiss euthanasia clinic.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Euthanasia gaining in acceptance...
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    Gallup: Euthanasia Now Accepted by 69% of Americans
    June 24, 2016 – A Gallup poll released today, June 24, found that the majority of Americans believe euthanasia should be legal, with 69 percent agreeing that when a person has an incurable disease and requests euthanasia “doctors should be allowed by law to end the patient's life by some painless means.”
     
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    Belgium teen granted euthanasia...
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    Belgium minor first to be granted euthanasia
    Sat, 17 Sep 2016 | A terminally-ill teenager has been helped to die in Belgium, the first case since age restrictions on euthanasia were lifted in 2014.
     
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    mbk734 Well-Known Member

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    Suicide should have no shame or guilt for any reason. Of course it's usually preferable to stay alive unless you are terminally ill.
     
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    mbk734 Well-Known Member

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    The best way to go is go skydiving without a parachute into the ocean.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    while on Opium, altho that way you'd probably survive

    Isn't it true that there's no pain that can't be cut by heroin? and that neither we nor anyone else can give heroin because that (*)(*)(*)(*)er who has a 7 million dollar gambling habit and also wrote "The Book of Virtue" thinks that giving heroin to people dying by inches "sends the wrong message"?
     
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    Death with dignity at the end of life should be an option. The healthcare industry, of course, is opposed as dying in a hospital is very profitable with few customer complaints.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Asl long as you can get drugs that are effective in easing your pain I can't see why anyone would opt for dying, but my knowledge is that the ****** conservatives won't even let people have that, as DRUGS are just always bad. Can't have people getting ADDICTED for the last week of life, can we?
     
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    Why waste away, slowly, tubes in every orifice. Do you really want someone wiping your ass?
     
  10. MrNick

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    Well, if someone is in pain and it can't be managed and they're clear enough in their head to make such a decision then why not?

    What I don't understand is why these people just don't off themselves? why do they want others to be involved in their death. IMO if you assist that makes you a murderer and nothing will ever change that.

    I'm not pushing the plunger that's for sure.
     
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    I think that everyone should be able to chose life or death, for any reason at all, they should be able to go to a center ala
    "Soylent Green" sans getting turned into food, and push a button and get a nice peaceful major dose of heroin and morphine, lights out and good night nurse.
     
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    I can't believe that little girl recently was allowed to end her own life and her mother did it...

    Growing up half the kids in my school wanted to end their lives - they were called "goth" so, you can't let a 14-year old make that choice...
     
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    We are mixing up suicide, physician assisted suicide and euthanasia. Each is distinct and has different moral questions. I am in favor of physician assisted suicide.
     
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    Hitler was into euthanasia big time. Once you justify it, there is no limit.
     
  15. btthegreat

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    The 'limit' in Oregon law for physician assisted suicide is thus. there must be a terminal diagnosis verified by a primary and secondary physician as well as a mental health screen . the patient must request a prescription twice in writing to the doctor and once orally weeks apart and in the presence of a witness. the patient may not get any active assistance form anyone beyond opening the bottle. No pouring the pills in the hand or helping them to sip the water. it is an independent act.
     
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    In most cases dying is not a peaceful slipping away. Brit actor Brian Rix use to be anti-euthanasia but now that he's slowly dying in discomfort he's done a u-turn-

    News item- "Terminally ill actor ..Brian Rix, 92, has said the law on assisted dying needs changing.
    ..Rix urged the speaker of the House of Lords to push through legislation allowing those in his situation to be assisted to die.
    He had previously opposed an assisted dying law, but said his illness has left him "like a beached whale" and in constant discomfort. "My position has changed"
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37009758
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for proving my point. That didn't even exist before, now it is accepted and it can always change to suit the politics of the time.
     
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    As usual an irrelevant point from you .. unless of course you don't know the difference between forced killing and assisted suicide. .. Do you?
     
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    I'm betting those goths weren't suffering from what their doctors referred to as unbearable physical pain.
     
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    By your logic then, there had never been a limit, so your point may have been proven, but it's still just as irrelevant.
     
  21. btthegreat

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    Oh so your point is that laws, definitions and values change and that nothing is static. The things I learn here!
     
  22. FoxHastings

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    All of which is ridiculous.....it's fine if the illness is caught soon enough and the patient can plan ahead but some illness may leave the patient without the means to go through the requests...that's just red tape for red tape sake.

    People should plan ahead and leave instructions for what to do if they get certain diseases.. ..and if they want the painless INEXPENSIVE way out they should just get it...


    But, of course, hospitals , nursing homes, DRUG corporations are all against that...they want to suck you dry as you die...THEY will put up the road blocks and laws and fight assisted suicide laws.....Until they figure out a way to make money off it and then they'll change :)
     
  23. btthegreat

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    The purpose of these regulations is to make sure that in fact this person who really wants to die, rather than being pressured by 'loved ones' to kill themselves and that it is also not an impulsive act chosen in a moment of despondency. The law was designed as a response to situations there is likely to be time for some planning. You get a diagnosis of terminal cancer decide to stop treatment. You do not want to hang around the last and most unpleasant month A lethal dose of barbiturates is preferable to trying to shoot yourself with a gun which is more difficult with weak unsteady hands and more messy and less dignified. This law allows for a prescription from a doctor to accomplish the goal whenever you feel the right time as come to take the pills.

    A lot of people are worried about a choice to die, turning into a duty to die. They want to know you are sure and that you have given this thought, outside the pressure of your sister who wants the family house.
     
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    yes this is a narrowly drawn bill. The purpose of these regulations is to make sure that in fact this person who really wants to die, rather than being pressured by 'loved ones' to kill themselves and that it is also not an impulsive act chosen in a moment of despondency. The law was designed as a response to situations there is likely to be time for some planning. You get a diagnosis of terminal cancer decide to stop treatment. You do not want to hang around the last and most unpleasant month A lethal dose of barbiturates is preferable to trying to shoot yourself with a gun which is more difficult with weak unsteady hands and more messy and less dignified. This law allows for a prescription from a doctor to accomplish the goal whenever you feel the right time as come to take the pills at home.

    A lot of people are worried about a choice to die, turning into a duty to die. They want to know you are sure and that you have given this thought, outside the pressure of your sister who wants the family house. The doctors office seemed like a good place to determine that at least there and then, you were of sound mind and knew that this was what YOU really wanted. The drugs are not expensive.

    The tricky part with having this all written out years in advance with some hypothetical illness, is that your mind may well change and you have a better idea what sort of symptoms you can expect, in what order, when you know what the diagnosis is. The doctors will be able to say, for example " first you will lose your ability to do walk, then you will lose your bowel continence, then you will have trouble swallowing and pain will get worse..." you will decide that you want have the pills at bedside and take them at your time when your symptoms become too much but before you can't swallow them.
     
  25. FoxHastings

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    There's no tricky part about doing it years in advance.....a person is free to change that as their feelings change....as they are free to change other things...

    My spouse knows exactly how I feel about assisted suicide if I get Altzheimer's...I don't want my doctor to think I want to die because I'm gaga, I want her to know that in my lucid life I want to die.

    Yes, some people allow others to pressure them, that's a fact of life but it shouldn't diminish the right to die...

    I agree it shouldn't be willy nilly with no oversight but forcing someone to have to lift a glass and swallow when they may be too sick to do either is ridiculous.
     

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