Even cheating didn't help the GOP

They forced Wisconsin voters to risk their lives in order to vote in person on election day. They even took their case against postponing the election to the Supreme Court, where that decision was reached along party lines. And still Trump's candidate conservative judge lost that election.

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/...cle_a60dd913-bd22-589d-855b-ca2788b81d9a.html

How bankrupt is your party's message if even cheating (sort of) doesn't get you a win? This result gives me hope that we the people, the majority, will overcome this incompetent Trump regime in November, pandemic or no pandemic.

 

I read the article. So where was the cheating?

 

Like I said, sort of. The GOP has become adept at finding ways to reduce voter turnout, since it is a proven fact that the better the turnout, the more the Democrats win. When the governor of Wisconsin tried to postpone the election in order yo allow more mail-in ballots, the Republican party in Wisconsin blocked it in court, forcing people out into proximity to each other in order to vote. The GOP agenda, and Trump's, was to get their conservative judge elected to the state's supreme court, but voters were more determined than the GOP guessed and they lost the election anyway. Serves 'em right

 

How is any of that cheating?

 

Where is this thing you call "Cheating"?

 

As we see, Republicans have grown to see these things as running a STRONG game. They don't see anything wrong with stopping as many as possible from voting, by HOOK OR BY CROOK.

 

And Democrats favor voting early and often at multiple precincts and multiple states.

 

Wisconsin will obviously be an important state this November so it's GREAT to see the right-wing judge get SMASHED here...

 

This is an interesting matter. Wisconsin was cheating because what they did was voter suppression. Making it difficult for voters to show up by forcing them to come out in conditions that were dangerous to them and the people they interact with.

In most elections, high voter turn out favors Democrats. Republicans have always preferred lower voter turnout. And it's almost automatic for them. Of course, they have found ways to suppress the vote selectively, targeting minorities, young people, ... in general, groups that vote democrat. And that's obviously even better, but much harder to do. So just reducing the number of voters is what they strive for. There are studies that show how there is a statistically observable variance in favor of Republicans in places where it rains on election day. And this is also based on the fact that there are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans.

This might work against them this time around in the generals, though. I saw a couple of studies (one of them linked below) questioning who would benefit most with higher voter turnout. This is based on non-voters (voters who are not registered, or are registered but have never voted, or only voted once in the last six national elections). Nationwide, Democrats hold the lead among these voters, as expected. But not so in key states like Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida.

However, here in Florida, where these voters favor Trump by 5 points, we already see voter suppression efforts by Republicans, who hold complete control of the State, already in full swing. And that might work against them. I guess old habits are not easy to change.

 

Less bankrupt than trying to make a point that the other side cheated, and then admitting they didn't actually cheat.

 

See #3.

 

This seems less like GOP skulduggery and more about whether governors have the authority to change election days willy nilly, regardless of state law. You seem more interested in partisan outcomes rather than following a lawful process.

 

That seems to have nothing to do with the court decision. In what way was the court wrong?

 

So like @Sleep Monster , you seem more interested in a particular partisan outcome rather than following the law. If you have a reason why the court decision was incorrect, I'd be glad to hear it, but simply moving around election times to whichever you think benefits your party doesn't seem to be included in State law, or if it is, I've not heard of it.

 

Question: Would you be happier if we just dumped the Constitution and just adopted Communism?

Incompetent Trump regime? interesting. Facts reveal that Mr. trump has been the first president to stand up to China and other forces working to topple America in the last 50 years.
Democrats want stimulus cash for ILLEGAL immigrants and funding for China and expansion of China's free access to American media.

If it's not black and white obvious that the left favors Communism to you....then you might be one of them?

 

He did quietly sneak in that "sort of" as a plausible denial. If he didn't make up the "cheating" he would have nothing to post.

 

They do, often. This time they used the courts to supress voter participation, so it may not fit the definition of cheating, but callousness? Yeah, plenty of that, making voters literally risk their lives in order to vote. It was nasty and uncalled for, and in the end, it availed them nothing.

Remember when Trump was asked about this last week? He responded by claiming that mail-in voting was bad because it was so easy to cheat, to have someone sitting in their living room, filling out dozens of fraudulent ballots. As it turns out, the only time their was voter fraud with mail-in ballots was when Republicans recently tried it in North Carolina and got caught red-handed. A Republican opertive was indicted, and the far right Republican candidate had to concede the election. They had to have a runoff last year.

There are many ways for a party to cheat, many ways to supress the vote, and the GOP employs them in every election. They are not a majority party, yet they keep managing a majority in the House and Senate often through questionable means. There is a name for minority rule: tyranny.

 

And thus, you admit your deliberate use of a falsehood to make a point.

 

If a common normal voter is unable to get to the polls to vote, that is what is known in rational objective normal terms as "too damn bad."

 

Really?

Is the "Sort of" silent?

 

By cheating, i think they mean following the law

Anyone who want's to do an absentee ballot can do so and they have had plenty of time to arrange it.

 

Willy nilly? A pandemic of a deadly disease doesn't justify postponing a primary? Seriously?

Other states were able to postpone.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/state-primaries-postponed-coronavirus/index.html

A few of those are planning to go with mail-in ballots only.

The only reason Wisconsin was unable to do so was because the GOP in that state was desperate to elect their conservative judge and he wasn't polling well. Reducing voter turnout was their only hope of getting him elected. I'm really glad they failed in the end, but they set a dangerous precedent.

Watch this space, and keep that list from the link in mind. If there happen to be Republican candidates in those 17 states plus Puerto Rico, the local GOP may do the same thing, especially now that they know the majority of Republican-nominated justices on the SCOTUS will rule in their favor.

 

I tried to find a transcript of RBG's dissenting opinion, but this illustrates the reasoning.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/supreme-court-coronavirus-ginsburg-wisconsin/index.html

In an unsigned opinion, the Court's five conservatives saw the case as a "narrow" dispute on a "technical question." They stressed court precedent that discourages the changing of election rules so close to an election."

In other words, a technicality. Dontcha love those? I get that the Democratic governor was last-minute on this, but the health and possibly lives of Wisconsin voters were at stake.

"The court's suggestion that the current situation is not 'substantially different' from an 'ordinary election' boggles the mind," she wrote."

"Unlike the majority, Ginsburg focused on the virus and the fact that the state had 1,500 confirmed cases and 24 deaths "with evidence of increasing community spread." Because gathering at polling places now poses "dire health risks," an unprecedented number of Wisconsin voters were turning to absentee voting."

Don't we have the right to safe election processes?

 

Welcome to law.

 

Yes and one wonders how many empty lots and derelict buildings will vote in that election...