Every day hundreds of Dutch school children are forced to bow to Islam

Correct!
And no one here would have wasted even 2 brain cells for the whole issue, if this school class had gone to a Christian church, instead a mosque etc.

 

Nice area rugs!

 

What would moslem parents say if their six year olds were brought to church and encouraged to cross themselves?

Be honest now.

 

Aside fact that no one forced here anyone to do something ...

Nothing would happen normally as my own experience is with my 2 sons who visited wht their classes also a mosque, a protestant church, a catholic church and a synagogue. None of the Muslim children or their parents had a problem with that!

 

You have to be a lying muslim yourself to say this, of course. Every third thread on here is how every muslim everywhere is a member of ISIS and any who say they're not is lying and anyone who thinks that we should do anything with muslims but kill all of them at the earliest opportunity is themselves a muslim. Islam and muslims are evil incarnate while Christians all have roses growing from their butts. Now let us begin the XIVth Crusade. DEUS VULT

 

That's probably why christianity is dying in a lot of places, especially in western europe. Apparently, the first christian were spreading christianity as a "good news" and with joy. The catholic church has to send a lot of african priests in some area such as France because they don't have anymore local priests. Some apparently get extremly depressed because the atmosphere in church is very sad.
That can bye symbolized by the colours in church. We have often church who are here for a few centuries, and when they renovate it, there is often a problem. Which color to choose ? Our church were very colourfull during middle age, and a lot of colours is often the symbol of joy. There were painted all white around the 17th century, and today we can't barely imagine our church as something else white.
I'm from a catholic tradition, even if I'm not catholic personnaly. I have a friend who changed from catholic to if I remember well evangelist. He said that one of the reason was the fact that evangelist church were more cheerfull, more joyfull.

They still use the authority of school to make some children pray in the muslim way. It's problematic for every religion, but even more for Islam considering all the laws on apostasy in the muslim world.
As far as I know, theorically, it's the fact to tell the chahada or being from a muslim father who turn someone automatically as a muslim considering islamic laws. I think that those children should avoid a bunch of muslim countries for the rest of their life however, we never know what can go through a judge mind, especially a muslim one.

 

Visiting is fine. Crossing themselves, Moslem parents would have had a collective heart attack. And you know it.

 

Nice rant

 

I don't have an issue with that since it seems clear they are referring to a visit as in "school field study visit". The title "forced to bow to islam" does not seen credible.

 

And true.

 

By the way. Do you know the first act of every critics of islam when they wake up ? They have to plane their horns to hid how devilish they are. They have to paint their red skin in white (the second colour of the devil by the way). Then we can do our things, like planing things for the sake of mean evilness.

 

Ok, that's what I thought. Laughter, giggling, and some kids sitting against the wall doing nothing. A school day trip to a mosque. They probably went to a synagogue, and a Christian church too, and maybe to a sikh temple.

 

If we all know it why are you telling us. It's bullshit and YOU know it. Muslims are not any more devout religiously than anyone else. It's like saying that ALL Catholics oppose abortion fanatically. It's like saying ALL Christians follow the precepts of the Westboro Baptist Church. Just because YOU"RE a bunch of religious fanatics doesn't mean everyone, even muslims, is too.

 

On that point, I have to agree even if I reject most of your opinions. I know some people who became athee and their muslim parents didn't cared and some who know that once they will do their athee coming out, they will be dead to their family.

 

@Aleksander Ulyanov I don't know, I never went to the church of this friend. I have a debt toward some catholic people so I won't go on the "let's slander the catholic" train.

 

No, of course they are not

 

OK my friend, you do not see what I see - and I see kids bowing and prostrating. In mosque.

An interesting fact for you - bowing down and prostration are only made for Allah in Islam. They may not be made for anyone other than Allah.

 

It had happened to the Catholic Church ... as follows:

The priest asked the children about their religion and let the Muslims show them how to kneel down to pray, the others did the same on the altar's surface and then all the children sat down on the benches and rowed on the front Beams and sometimes made the cross symbol ... everything nice and well explained by the priest why did this and what is the difference to the Protestants and other religions, but in essence everything is the way of worship of God.

No problem for the 8 Muslim and also the Chinese child in the class of my son and also not for the parents ... even if only 2 parents are strictly Islamic and the rest not, even these saw it as what is .. Continuing education and looking over the plate of your own religion.

BTW ... I am an atheist and have no problem with that, too!

 

Its a school day trip. If its a big deal for you, then so be it. I see it as a non-issue. It is as big a deal as if they did the communion in a church. In US some would surely protest, as they do with "under God" pledge, but some people can't help but make a big deal out of non-issues.

 

Catholics prostrate in certain rituals, though it's usually just priests in Holy Week, Hindus prostrate themselves, then get up and lay down again a foot or so forward and they do this for MILES.

ALL religions are crazy as a shithouse rat on nitrous. You got it in for Islam because they were the ONLY one to EVER kill a whole bunch of people at once, and besides, they're mostly brown. I understand, muslims are someone you can hate and who am I to criticize the things you really enjoy

 

And the joke is ... I am atheist

 

Would it surprise you to know that I've probably eaten more spare ribs and drunk more fine cognac with muslims, than with any other people?

 

The authority school is not allowed to breach the law, buddy.
How about try to use your head.

And than there is the issue of "making" children pray. I see no proof of that.
It's all fake news.

 

Obviously, they're taking the posture of islamic pray considering the videos. The actual range of those acts is unknown. Maybe it isolated, maybe it's general. A child is not a tool, not a slave. It's someone extremly naive and psychically extremly vulnerable. Making them pray in islam or any other religion but the one of their parents is an abuse of this naiveness. It's already extremly problematic for any religion. Converting or praying in a religion is not a consequenceless thing, and should being done with precaution.

The fact it's islamic prayer make it worse, because a bunch of muslim countries doesn't respect freedom of religion (it's their own problem, their country, their culture) and have death penalty against apostates, as apparently Muhammed encouraged.

If those children are considered as muslim apostate in the future, it could put them in danger of death.