Evidence that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen?

Do you think mainstream English-speaking news sources are a good source of information?

Americans are taught that Hitler told the German people that they should take over Europe to expand their territory and that the German people said, "Good idea". Let's do it.

Americans are taught that the German soldiers were thinking that they were blatantly taking over Europe to make Germany a better place.

If you listen to these speeches of Hitler's, you'll see what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler:+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12
http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=Adolf+Hitler:+Explains+His+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union

Here's another speech of Hitler's
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p50_Hitler.html

I'm not saying Hitler wasn't lying to the people. I'm saying the German people were thinking that they were defending their territory and righting old wrongs during the war.

The American government told a gigantic lie. If they told this one, why should we believe their version of the Holocaust?

Let's hear your views on the above.

 

Germany invaded Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, France, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belorus, Albania, Yugoslavia.

they didn't do it for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles.

and no, bull(*)(*)(*)(*) propaganda from Jew-hating revisionist websites is not evidence that the Holocaust didn't happen.

its just evidence that Jew-haters are irrational.

 

You sidestepped my question. Go back and read it again and actually answer it.

I wasn't there so I can't be sure about anything but here are some revisionist videos about why WW2 was fought.

Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+What+the+Historians+Neglect+to+Mention&sm=12

Hitler Saved Europe From Stalin
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler+Saved+Europe+From+Stalin&sm=12

Who Started World War II? by Viktor Suvorov
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Who+Started+World+War+II?+by+Viktor+Suvorov&sm=12

Churchill's War
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Churchill's+War&sm=12

Mark Weber speaks on Hitler's Place in History
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mark+Weber+speaks+on+Hitler's+Place+in+History&sm=12

David Irving - The Faking of Adolf Hitler for History
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...The+Faking+of+Adolf+Hitler+for+History+&sm=12

 

Youtube videos from Nazis, aren't evidence.

although David Irving now admits that the Holocaust happened and it killed millions of Jews.

 

I know he said that once in order to get out of jail so that doesn't count. Is that what you're referring to? Please cite your source.

I'm still waiting for you to address the issue I raised in post #26. I pointed out a big lie that Americans are taught. Please address this issue.

 

You say that the Holocaust didnt happen? REALLY?
I come from a family that the majority of my grandpather and grandmother (from both sides) were gassed, shot dead etc.
My grandpather from my dad side (he passed away couple years ago) had been in 8 extermination camp and survived it all, he also had a number from Auschwitz, his son was gassed , me whole grandmother's family frm my mother side was all exretminated, my grandmother's family from my dad side were all extermonated exept of my grandmother and 2 of her sisters.
I've been in Poland, visited all the concentration camp there, and sew a huge pile of humen dast, my Grandpather needed in the wer to use in humen soap (soap that made from humen's fat).
In my travel to Poland I sew the gas chembers and near of it (in the same room) I sew a bath tub that Nazi officer took a shower there when Jews were burned to death.

How in the HELL you can say that the Holocaust didnt happen?

do you know that in his trail. Adolf Eichmann mentioned that in the Holocaust 10 Million Jews were killed and not 6 Million, so probably the 5 Milion that were missing so probably they were gassed etc.

 

You're misrepresenting the revisionists' position. They don't say that nobody died in the camps. They say the ones that died died of typhus and starvation and that the gas chambers were a myth.

If she died in the camps, how are you in a position to know how she died? The revisionist position is that the Germans killed the people they wanted to kill not far from where they took them prisoner by shooting them. The ones on the trains were taken to be slave labor. If someone was shot, that's consistent with the revisionist position.

 

How do you know your grandparents were gassed?

 

Please explain to me
Why I should believe this
It's just a page on the Internet
when I go to the home page I see articles that Comes as close as you can get
To being anti jew
one Article
how Adolf Hitler Was forced into war

 

he may not have proof that they were gassed.

but he know's they were killed

just as I know my grandmother's siblings and parents and cousins were killed.

only two survived the war.

 

Why should we believe this?

There seems to be a common 'grandmother' theme. Seems statistically unlikely.

 

Eichmann interview before capture.

Eichmann: "Where does Höss believe that he got these two and a half million Jews? Not from me. Because to have liquidated two and a half million decrepit, elderly, unworkable Jews, I must have had to feed to him three, four, five, six or seven million Jews in that space of time, and from the transport point of view alone this would have been totally impossible."

 

My grandparents were not gassed, in my grandmother of my mother side all of her family were killed and gassed exept of her and 2 of her sisters (they were 12 sisters and brothers before the wer + 2 parents), my grandfather of my father side his first wife and son garmen soldiers tool them to the gas chembers, how do I know? cause my grandfather sew in his eyes how the garmens took them.
all of my family who murdered in the Holocaust didnt just gassed but also shot to death (my grandfather of my father side garmens took him to stand with other Jews near a pit that the Jews themselves were digged and when the soldiers started to shoot the Jews and when they shot one of the Jews that stoo beside him he fell and pretended like he dead.

Here is an intresting fact:
My grandmother from my mother side were one of those that Schindler saved during the wer.

I know that some of my grandparents family were gassed because they told me that they sew it.

When the germens started to killed the Jews they started from gas trucks and in a random shooting etc. and from this killing the germens didnt wrote how much they killed in those gas trucks and random shooting and also after the germens started to write how much Jews they killed even then there were places that Jews were killed without write it down, like when Josef Mengele‏ did an experimentes on Jews in his "clinic" many of the Jews were murdered there with out anyone who wrote who died.
In that kind of way millions of Jews were killed without any indication about it.

 

Why should we believe any of this?

 

Because a lot of this is well documented fact. I don't understand why people feel the need to deny the Shoah unless it simply is something they wish they could do today?

 

Also the Jews killed trillions of Germans by launching them into space my grandmother told me except she hided and survived except nobody wroted it down so there is no evidence.

 

Of course. The mysterious 'documents'.

One has to believe any accusation or 'they want to do it'?

Nice dime store pseudo-psychoanalysis.

 

Cause it is documented and all of the history books you can read it there.
Probably you dont like too much history classes

BUT you know that there was a smart man once that said something:
People that ignore their past, their future will be like walking in the fog.

And the second thing is: why in the hell I need to lie about my past? I dont need anyone's pity!

IF you will open once an history book and will read all the things that the Germans did to the Jews in the Holocaust you could see the gas trucks and all what I said here.
Dont be stupid.
The Germans started to kill Jews by random shooting and gas trucks and all that because it was quick, the Germans wanted to kill Jews as quickly as they could, that was the killing method until 1942 when the "The Final Solution" replace it, cause one of the reasons was that all the gas trucks and the random shooting was a waste of ammunition (cause they fought against all kind of countries), and was a waste of money cause to kill by gas trucks was inefficiently cause it was in small masses, and when "The Final Solution" started to took place the documentation was more organized.
You probably dont know but when Germany invaded Soviet Union, they just entered to villages that Jews lived there and just killed the whole villages, to this kind of action you cant find any documentation for how much Jews they killed in those villages, BUT the fact that it happened its a fact.


Learn history before you say foolish announcements

 

Hey Ronstar-

I asked you to address the issue I brought up in post #26.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=336026&page=3&p=1063475104#post1063475104

There's an issue here of which sources we should believe and which sources we shouldn't believe. I posted some evidence that we shouldn't believe the official American version. Please respond. This is the third time I've reminded you.

Please address the issue I'm trying to get Ronstar to address.

Do you think the Red Cross is a credible source?
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

Should we simply dismiss what they said?

Shy should we simply reject stuff such as this?
http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/21.html
http://www.ihr.org/news/weber_ww2_may08.html

 

the Red Cross believes that the Holocaust happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/us/red-cross-admits-knowing-of-the-holocaust-during-the-war.html

but no, the IHR is not a legitimate source of evidence as it is filled with anti-Semites and Neo-Nazis.

 

I guess your definition of 'anti Semite' includes anyone who doesn't buy the holocaust story, so that seems like circular logic.

Your article does not include any statements from the Red Cross that millions were killed. They say "we could have done more": Jewish rag NYT: "Red Cross admits the Holocaust!". Go figure.

 

nice strawman.

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your disregarding of the NYT article is based on your obsessives hatred of Jews.

what a surprise.

 

Incorrect. It was based on reading the article and seeing that the quotes don't support the premise.

If I was like you guys I would say "NYT is full of pro Semites and can be dismissed."

But that would be stupid.

 

you whine about so-called false accusations of anti-Semitism and then turn around and accuse the NYT of being a "Jewish rag".

the irony, is hilarious!!!

 

Pointing out facts isn't 'anti' anything. If Jews are disproportionately involved in a newspaper which then shows biases, calling it a 'Jewish rag' is a neutral fact. Pretending it isn't is pro Semitic.