Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Marriage Equality

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  1. ProgressivePatriot

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    You are no where near correct and in fact terribly confused. To you it is all about sex. What we are talking about is who one is sexually and romantically attracted to, and that is not a choice, and your continuing to blather about how it is a choice will not change that. Your ignorance and stubbornness has not gone unnoticed.

    Let me ask you, as a heterosexual, could you choose to have sex with someone of your own gender.? Would you want to marry someone of your own gender.? Of course not.! The why the **** do you think that a gay person can be attracted to, and want to marry someone of the opposite gender? You make no sense and your fooling no one by playing stupid. I think that you know exactly what your doing. Like many bigots, you insist that homosexuality is a choice in order paint it as something frivolous so as to justify discrimination and marginalization of the group. You don't relate to then a human beings who have feelings. They are just sex machines to you.

    A further indication of your ignorance is you assumption about my sexuality. Only the smallest of minds think that they can conclude that someone is gay based on there support and advocacy for gays. You just squandered any shred of credibility and respectability that you might have had.
     
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    Why so hostile and why do you refuse to admit that you live the gay lifestyle? Are you ashamed?

    I was never sexually abused as a child nor raised by or exposed to effeminate men. All that I knew were heterosexual sexual relationships all around me. It was only natural for me to go that path as well.

    If in your case, you were exposed to any of the above, it probably explains your choice
     
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    I will not validate your bigotry with a denial. I don't give a rats hind parts what you thing I am, and again, it is the height of ignorance for you to make such assumptions

    I am hostile because you are hostile. You are hostile to gay people and to the rights that they deserve. As a life long civil rights advocate I find your attitude abhorrent and crass.
     
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    You need to get an education
     
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    it is you making assumptions. I could care less if you sleep with one guy or 20. Where I draw the line is providing additional protections and/or benefits just because you engage in sex differently than about 97% of the population. It's sex!!!! It has nothing to do with any rights as you are denied none. Are you denied a gun because of how you have sex? Are you denied the vote? Are you denied the right to assembly?

    If you chose the lifestyle that you did because of the environment in which you were raised or worse, were sexually molested, then there are lots of resources to help you. If you do not wish to avail yourself of the resources than that's fine too, but both are choices.

    But to insist that you are special and deserving of affirmative action etc, then you must face reality. You have sex differently than me; so what? You are denied no rights because of your sexual choice.
     
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    [​IMG]We're done here. You are hopeless. By the way, I remember you from years ago. You are now back on ignore where you have been for the last 5.

    One last point. Gay folks have never asked for any special rights or benefits, only equal rights and they still do not have that in all respects. I would school you on that but I don't think that you're capable of learning, indeed you fear truth and knowledge. . And to toss in some **** about affirmative action is just , well....Gish Gallop

    You are dismissed
     
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    and that right there is where you fail. It's exactly what you want. As for being placed on ignore, given your lack of understanding regarding Rights and the Constitution, I could care less. Nobody is more special than the next. Heck, look to "hate crimes". Someone attacks me, it's simple battery. If I claim to live the gay lifestyle, it becomes a hate crime. Gay man attacks me, it's not a hate crime.

    No special privileges my eye
     
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    I said that I was going to ignore you and I am. But when I saw this, I could not resist the opportunity to point out how ****ing ridiculous your ideas are.

    First of all, it takes more than someone who is attacked to say he is gay for the perpetrator to be charged with a hate crime. The motive of the perpetrator hase to be in some way established.

    Secondly here is the text of the federal hate crimes law??

    1. Hate Crime Laws - Justice
      https://www.justice.gov/crt/hate-crime-laws

    Tell me what it says! Does it say crimes committed against gay people ??NO!! It's say sexual orientation! That means if a gay person attacks you while calling you a pansy ass straight dude, it is a hate crime

    Hate crimes carry stiffer penalties than other crimes because it is seen as a crime against a whole community

    It the same in NJ
    https://www.nj.gov/oag/bias/
    Good ****ing God! You are not nearly as smart as you think that you are
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    I wish there was a brief someone could file that would urge an end to Roy Moore's involvement with politics. What an outdated moron. I'm at least glad he's not on the court down there anymore.
     
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    What about allowing others to engage in what you think are deviant behaviors, that are done with only consenting adults, controls your life? Are you being required to join in these "deviant" sexual behaviors?
     
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    First, since it is an opinion, then it is never right or wrong. It is an opinion.

    As to the different agenda, the "gay agenda" is "we should be allowed to do as we wish with willing consenting partners. You do as you wish." Your "Christian agenda" is, we don't like what you do so we will force you to stop it, even if it doesn't directly affect us."
     
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    Since the 14th doesn't allow for gender distinctions in the law, then the legal definition cannot have gender distinction. Therefore, legal marriage can only be between two individuals, not a man and a woman. The religious definition can be whatever a given religion says it is.
     
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    Glad you wrote it that way. The fact is the the majority of Christians, as a whole, support same sex marriage being legal. IIRC, Catholics are the only Christian denomination that has a minority.
     
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    Ignorance might be a choice, but usually not. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Ignoring knowledge or denying knowledge is not ignorance, and most of the time, people simply don't know what they don't know. That's not to say that people can't choose to not seek knowledge, just that it is not usually a choice.
     
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    Speaking about almost correct. The difference is between the orientation and the actions. homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality are the attraction one has regardless of actions taken. These are not choices. They are also generalizations, since no one is attracted to all of men, or women, or both. Engaging in the acts are indeed a choice. a heterosexual person can choose to engage in homosexual acts. That does not make them homosexual. Your choice of acts does not change your orientation. Orientation does not determine what actions you will take. It usually indicated the odds, though.

    Pot, kettle, achromatic

    What are homosexuals getting that you are not?
     
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    Ad hom
     
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    I am happy to see that someone else has taken up the fight with that one. Unfortunatly, you will soon learn that it is hopeless
     
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    In the case of our friend here, it most certainly is a choice. He refused to consider anything that challenged his pre conceived notions or that could undermine the basis for his bigotry. Case in point, I presented epigenetic evidence regarding homosexuality. His response was to continue to bleat about it being a choice without so much as making reference to my post
     
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    Not really. While our opponents may be locked into their view, not everyone who views these debates is firm one way or another. By presenting the logic, we might well influence someone in our direction. Of course the opposition might influence those others in their direction as well. And there is the occasional joy of hitting just that right combo of logic that causes a person to change their mind. I've managed it a couple of times. I think my best response once was a person on the opposite side from me, who congratulated me on a good use of logic and persuasive argument. He still didn't agree with the premise I started from, but he did acknowledge that otherwise he might have been convinced.
     
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    I understand. I just have issues with some broad brushed claims. For example, I have a real issue when people call other liars, even when I disagree with what the claimed liar said. A lie is a deliberate attempt to deceive when they know the truth. Problem is that, regardless of facts, if a person believes something, then they are not lying. So when sec says homosexuality is a choice, he's not lying. He believes it. He wrong, but he's not lying. So I tend to point out these things that are presented as absolutes (albeit sometimes not intended that way by the poster) and not how they really aren't.
     
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    I see your point. I have had a success here and there but it really seems that most people are firmly in one camp or the other on most issues so I have low expectations. If I can just shut someone up I see it as a win.
     
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    Human rights are a merit worthy agenda. I can't help it if facts and truth have a liberal bias.
     
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    She is denied the desire to marry the person she loves, and, as a lesbian, she will not likely fall in love with a man.

    I used to be a person who thought that DOMA wasn't bigotry. See, I used to follow the logic that the law is not discriminatory because it applies to gays, as well, a gay person is free to marry a person of the opposite sex.

    That's a dubious argument, because sex is an important aspect of marriage for many people.

    Even if I were to concede on the technicality of the point, DOMA was unjust. DOMA treats a segment of society as second class citizens.

    In summation, the DOMA is bigotry, bigotry is the reason for the law.

    The more just law would be to allow people marry the people whom they love, regardless of gender, and so we must,
    in the name of justice and fairness to all people, redefine marriage. Humans evolve, winds change, people's aggregate level of awareness rises, and on the point of gay marriage, acceptance of it is now the will of the majority. It is the will of the people, so redefining marriage is a necessity.

    Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time. There are gay animals, it is natural and, therefore, 'normal'. Even Psychiatry and Psychology has removed homosexuality from is list of mental illnesses It's high time that we, as a more civilized society, accept our gay brethren as equals, and grant them the same rights we enjoy, the right to marry the person we love. Of course, bigots will argue what's next, 'bestiality"? My retort is to consult the Carl Sagan Baloney Detection kit, the section under logic, and specifically, the "slippery slope fallacy".
     
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    and I view a victory to see those with myopic purpose jump all over a person who simply points out the injustice of providing any special considerations to anyone because they engage in sex in a different fashion. I do feel sorry for you that you can't see clearly.
     
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    pot, kettle achromatic. you still haven't shown where anyone is getting special considerations or rights. Since sex isn't a requirement of legal marriage, how and with whom you have sex is irrelavant to legal marriage.
     

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