Ex-press secretary says ‘paranoid’ Trump had ‘off the books’ meetings to keep details out of archive

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  1. MJ Davies

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    Ex-press secretary says ‘paranoid’ Trump had ‘off the books’ meetings to keep details out of archives

    This isn't the least bit surprising; however, it is shocking that so many people think he walks on water and he was forced to not follow the policies and procedures because he's so righteous. It's beyond pathetic what nonsense people are willing to overlook while they are being lied to every time he opens his mouth.

    What do you think? (No whataboutisms, please). Focus please.
     
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    There is no law per se that requires the President to have everything archived. Yes, there is a law requiring public records but as we see with executive orders, not everything is archived. The real issue, and what prompted Trump's behavior is precisely this: That everything, fair or foul is seen in the worst possible light and with absolutely zero trust or veracity.

    indeed, as far as Trump sees it regardless of whether he cooperates or not there would still be a complaint. So why should Trump comply? Why should anyone comply with the Democrats on this or other issues? The compliance would be in good faith to those who haven't shown good faith.

    They are hiding behind the cover of the institution of Congress to nakedly pursue extortion against Trump as well as those close to Trump. And in so doing, have shown themselves to be the worst Congress we ever had. In the lieu of financial and political crises to Washington, they have betrayed the American Citizenry wit large. And that can be remedied at the voting ballots.
     
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    A Career Criminal like Trump has a lot to hide.
    That is why we have never seen his tax filings.

    It is not surprising, in the least, that once Trump got into the White House that he would use "off-the-books" meetings to hide evidence of his crimes.
     
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    First president EVER to do so, eh? :rolleyes:
     
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    All he had to was wipe records, like with a cloth.
     
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    No surprise. However, interestingly, I don't have as big a problem with his internal off-book criminal planning as I do with his off-book meetings with scum like Putin and Erdogan... Sounds like yet another reason to get Meadows in front of the 1/6 committee...

    Seems like the minions are slowing poking their heads out to submit meek challenges to our former criminal-if-chief... perhaps one of them can catch hold of the limited imaginations of the right and give them somebody who might have a chance to win in 2024.

    While I obviously will never vote for the GFP again, a Chris Christie presidency would have a remote whiff of competency...
     
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    FYI the 1950 Records Act disagrees with you. !!
     
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    You mean like how Obama did that, or how Biden is doing that now? Do you worry about what they did, or are doing today?

    Here's an example. When Joe isn't in a meeting, and no one tells him the talking points, and he goes out in pubic, and tells the press emphatically that there won't be payments to illegals, what do you suppose happened there? Do you believe those oh shyt meetings to tell Joe what to say are being recorded anywhere for posterity?
     
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    I'm no expert, but I'm 99.9% pretty sure that entire post would qualify as a whataboutism....
     
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    Trump doesn't occupy the whitehouse, but still manages to occupy so many fragile leftists minds these days. It makes logical sense to question the veracity of the outrage when you juxtapose it to what is clearly something that is actually happening now. No? Or doesn't consistency matter.
     
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    Yeah seriously! Why in the heck would Crooked Donnie want to memorialize criminal behavior and crimin' NOT on the behalf of America and the American people? He does know how to CYA and have a fall guy in tow. The buck stops over there.
     
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    No evidence or reasonable allegation POTUS Joe is doing remotely the same thing as T**** is alleged to have done.

    So, to be clear, you are against ALL off-book meetings for all administrations? Every meeting should be documented fully?

    That's all the OP wanted to know... Thanks for playing...
     
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    Your OP is registration-walled... Here's a freebie site

    https://news.yahoo.com/stephanie-grisham-says-paranoid-trump-115821137.html
     
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    Hmm.. We see Joe spinning and dancing in real time. Do you assert there is evidence that the meetings his handlers are having with him are being recorded for the archive?
     
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    Do you have any reasonable allegation, from anybody in a position to know, that any meeting in this administration is not being properly documented??

    Didn't think so....

    Go fish
     
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    And Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014. Lot of shady stuff went on in the WH 2017-2020
     
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    Yeah, but that was in 2014 under Barack HUSSEIN Obama, so it's OK for T**** to ignore that one...

    /s
     
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    Biden's brain is always off the books. And he's the President!
     
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    You and I know they all do it , I think they have too.

    he beat the system and you sound jealous ?


    lol
    could be
     
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    That is an understatement.
     
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    Knowing how you have, previously, played fast & loose with the facts-- or have make assertions about things, of which you had no knowledge-- I was going to ask, on what, you were basing this contention. I see, though, someone else has already posted the Records Act, that disproves your contention. I guess I could have just removed you from my quote, but I'd like to suggest, for what it's worth, that this kind of reputation for speaking in ignorance, is not one to be avidly pursued, if one can avoid it (which, of course, you can).

    Not at all (though that could be a whataboutism, which the OP requested we avoid). I feel, though this might not be the "approved," way of operating, there actually could be situations, in which such deviations from the straight & narrow are warranted and excusable. But that would obviously come down to the REASONS, the MOTIVATION, for the subterfuge. If you believe that Trump was not doing this, only for his own benefit, to protect his own ass, then our assumptions about his rationale are very different. Just for kicks, what do you suspect, inspired Trump to do this?

    Hi, again. Now that part of your post seems an interesting, compelling, even insightful observation: that Trump expects everyone else to play dirty which, to an extent, is a good awareness for a leader to have. But, as I read it, you were talking about Trump's seeing everything in the worst possible light-- which goes beyond having a healthy awareness of possible, mal intent, to full blown paranoia: NOT a desirable trait, in a leader. Yet, I had still misunderstood you, my further reading showed:
    So you actually SHARE the Master's delusion, that it is, in fact, the Democrats who were always working for Trump's undoing, by misrepresenting his innocent actions. I can't call your impression that Democrats lined up against Trump, an illusion. But it was not something that occurred en masse, on Day 1. While there were some who were against the new president, from the start, that is not all that unusual or significant. The best way to address it is with actions to try to win them over but, more to the point, to solidify the support of the vast majority of others, who might be on the fence, but who were persuadable. This, of course, would include Independents, but even some of the "Never-Trumpers." Democrats, as well-- both in the Congress, and in the country-- were not hoping for ill-fortune for America, just to make Trump look bad. That is a distinctly unpatriotic mentality, to say the least.

    But, instead of that course, Trump focused only on his base, and won over more, & stronger, Democratic OPPOSITION, as time went on-- based on more and more of his unsavory behavior. That is just a corrupt paranoid's, self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    Trump should have just met them on a tarmac in a private plane.
     
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    Actually there is. Its called the Presidential Records Act
     
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    Damn.... that is one well thought out post... kudos for a Monday AM...
     

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