Excess Deaths

Reluctantly...occasionally...some times not at all...and only because you're forced to

 

Is English your primary language?

 

They like those higher numbers because those numbers generate more fear, upon which this scamdemic is based.

 

No one "likes" those numbers.

They are however accurate.

Save your QAnon bullshit for your friends

 

In 1968-1969, the Hong Kong Flu global (H3N2) pandemic wiped out between 1 million and 4 million lives, with 100,000 U.S. deaths. Most of the deaths were among people 65 and older.

We didn't lock anything down. We didn't wear masks. There was no warning about social distancing.

We've done this before without crashing economic trade, businesses and peoples' livelihoods. Hopefully next time we do this again, and we will, we will behave as we have behaved through other "plagues".

 

Right. You cannot possibly have an unprecedented interference in peoples' rights to work and live and then tell people, "Oh sorry we destroyed your life. The virus wasn't that bad after all."

Imagine all these kids who already have astounding college debt, who have been forced to make no income, pay no rent for 3-4 months, but then when things "get better", they owe all that money to creditors and landlords. The Central Bank is planning to enslave millions if not billions of people for life.

Of course the advertised virus numbers have to be huge to justify what is about to occur next.

 

Maybe if we had we wouldn't have lost 100,000 lives but note that this thing has already killed TWICE that and shows no sign of stopping any time soon

 

Do you go through life in a constant state of fear, both fear of the known and unknown? Does it prevent you from getting out and living life to the fullest extent possible?

 

As it seems addressed to nobody in particular, I presume the above is a rhetorical question.

 

" If you're not afraid of a virus that has killed nearly a quarter million people in 7 months then you ain't black ! But you could be orange. "

~ `China ´ Joe Biden ​

 

There is no such thing as “similar common cold viruses” because COVID-19 is not similar to cold viruses. Even where they fall into the same family, each and every virus - of whatever type - is distinct, hence named differently. And, each virus has a different mechanism and hence different impact on the body.

In the case of this virus - named SARS-CoV-2 - it causes a disease called COVID-1, which initially attacks the lungs and then other organs, being able to travel far deeper into the body than, say, the common cold, because - unlike cold viruses - it attaches to ACE2 receptors, present not just in the lungs but other organs too. Additionally, it commonly triggers a cytokine storm in which the body over-responds and attacks itself, also causing organ damage if not fatal failure. Where it causes (among many other things) pneumonia, it is a viral pneumonia - not treatable - whereas the vast majority of pneumonia cases arising from colds and flu are bacterial, and hence treatable. Furthermore, where it causes pneumonia, say, this in turn commonly causes sepsis where again the body attacks itself, leading to systematic organ failure and often death, as well as residual organ damage and possibly amputations for survivors.

Sure, some people may have very mild symptoms, or no symptoms, but that’s not because the virus is similar to common cold viruses. It’s because their bodies are equipped, through age, uncompromised immune systems, etc., to adequately and appropriately respond to the SARS-CoV-2. It nonetheless has the capacity to do things - and do them to the organs - which common cold viruses cannot.

 

And viral load may also be an important factor regarding how seriously it attacks the body

 

It's not necessary to "suggest" anything. If that's what I was thinking, I would have said so. Did I? No.

 

No need for snark. If you think my response stemmed from a misunderstanding due to a language barrier or anything else, the appropriate response would be to restate your point in a manner which was easier to understand.

However, my response is actually due to a paucity of meaning in your post.

YOU: Dying with Covid is not the same as dying from Covid.

ME: What's your point?

I ask because you made a statement of fact, with no explanation of why you did so.

That is, it's a fact that dying "with" and "from" COVID-19 are not the same. (Dying "with" means it is a contributing cause of death (if indeed it exacerbated things) and dying "from" means it is the underlying cause of death.)

So again, what is your point?

 

COVID-19 is a coronavirus common cold virus.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes

 

Wrong.

Coronavirus is the name of a family of viruses.

There are hundreds of coronaviruses. Each is distinct.

Some cause the common cold. One causes COVID-19.

 

Not true.

 

Cross reactivity is a well documented phenomenon where antibodies or T cells formed in response to infection with one virus actually are able to mount a defense against a similar but not identical viral infection.

In the case of C19, we have actually discovered cross reactive T cells formed in response to coronavirus cold infections that have affinity for C19 antigen. At this time, evidence points to the existence of these cross reactive T cells minimizing severity of C19. It’s unlikely based on what we know today that having had a cold makes one completely immune to SARS-CoV-2 infection, but it’s likely individuals with the cross reactive T cells from previous “colds” will experience more positive outcomes post infection with SARS-CoV-2

A couple links if you are interested. The second is still only available in pre print but confirms the first published link findings and delves a bit more into actual specificity of the T cells in question in relation to different antigen.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6512/89

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/ne...vity-T-cell-responses-against-SARS-CoV-2.aspx

 

No, it's not.

As of today, it's 220,362.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days

 

If course they have. This isn’t even arguable.

 

LOL saying it isn't arguable doesn't make it true!

 

Finally, after all that verbosity, you seem to acknowledge the point: dying from covid and dying with covid are not the same thing. Far out, we actually agree.

That so many early deaths were classified as dying from covid contributed much to the Fauci Fear Factor.

Amazingly, months later CDC actually corrected the stats, noting that of all those reported deaths were in error. They corrected the perception to note that only 6% of the deaths were actually FROM the virus, whilst 94% were from some comorbidity with the virus merely present. Man, did that change the numbers for those paying attention. Naturally, mainstream media remained mostly silent on that very significant correction.

The sign of a good communicator is that his message is easily understood. He says what he means and means what he says.

Some of us are good communicators and some of us aren't.

Some messages imply certain things that are actually not said. Like posting about how fearful and dangerous the virus is SUGGESTS (whether intended or not) that the reader should be afraid of a dangerous virus.

 

Oh dear. You think we agree?

I explained the difference between Covid-19 being an underlying cause of death and a co-morbidity.

You seem to have interpreted this as confirmation that your view of the death count is correct. It is not a confirmation. Your view of the death count is wrong. The 6% / 94% is not a correction. It is an analysis of total deaths, broken down into people who had comorbidities and people who didn't.

6% had no comorbidities. 94% did have comorbidities. TOTAL 100%

ETA: They ALL died from COVID-19

 

Come on!
Those deaths associated with COVID-19.
It does not mean they are caused by COVID-19.
As of today we know that COVID-19 cause bad pneumonia, so we can only be certain about 94,000.

 

Nonsense.

For one thing, COVID-19 causes all sorts of conditions, so why you're saying only those who develop pneumonia are real cases is beyond me.

For another, we can be certain about the deaths.

COVID-19 is the underlying cause of death in 92% of cases = 202,733
It is a contributing cause of death in 8% of cases = 17,629

Note that "contributing" means that it actually contributed to death, and not that it was merely present.