Existence: What is the point?

Interaction - in the moment of an interaction something happens with the interactors so they are not the same any longer. Panta rei. Nothing can happen without change.

Your philosophy about "survival" is a little more difficult. You existed yesterday but you will not exist tomorrow. During this time you are playing - but you will not survive - under no circumstances. Some biological informations of you will survive - concrete: Some instructions how to produce albumins will survive. Your construction plan contains about 50000 Bytes - what's about 25 short letters. One child of you will carry 25000 Bytes of your biological information - but all childs together will never carry 100% of your biological Information. Within a very short time your individual biological information will not be any longer detectable within the biological information of the whole mankind. So - why should this be such a big theme?

The third point you are speaking about is the existance of god. You said: "If there is a god, he has hidden himself so as to remain a mystery." I answer: 'God is in the middle of your eyes - he's everywhere all around you' - but he's also existing in every not-existance. Or let me say it in this way: If god shouldn't exist now in the moment then he could call himselve into our existance within the next second. Perhaps the not existent problem of the existance of god here in this world all around is the existance of god for us. But you can be sure. God loves you - completely independent wether you believe in him or not. His word became flash ... ahem, sorry: flesh.

God loves you. - that's my Sunday message today - don't ask me within the week again wether god loves you or not - within the week I'm normally a very beasty interactor because of my beasty biology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yvHWyvexZA

 

existence is subjective, there is no such thing as an objective experience it can not exist.

 

i diagree.

That post and this one, would not exist without a choice. The experience exists.

Grow up and realize, you do exist and are capable, to live forever!

 

I said there is no OBJECTIVE reality. You cannot even begin to attempt to prove an objective reality because every single damn one of us are subjective observers. It is a fact and has no bearing on eternity or the existence of an afterlife.

 

I feel that evolution provides the most accurate answers possible. Survival and reproduction are at the heart of all life. Beyond that, we're just making things up using our complex minds in order to appease ourselves. We've reached a point of intelligence where we need more than the basics of survival and reproduction to take an interest in living, or at least most of us have There do seem to be some exceptions yet.

 

ie... if the life reproduces, it lives into the next generation (basic biology)

nothing subjective about that! Either give of self, for another life to live, or be extinct. Basic FACT!

I didnt make up anything except the lines, that enable 'truth' (fact), to be comprehended. Nothing magical about it. You are of mass, energy, time and now can comprehend 'itself'.

Nothing subjective, to that except honesty.

'we' (life) instinctively intend to 'live' (strictly natural, not a lick of magic in it) and that is only subjective to whether a life, exists or not.

For example: a story can have a life, but if the story is make believe, it is subjective to man creation, not 'natures' yet man is of nature.

Where to bridge is that mankind can 'create' and 'words' are proof. But that does not make 'existence' subjective as it (we) do exist, in fact, in and of 'the garden' (nature). We live within 'the beginning and ending' and anything said to be prior to, is the only subjective (speculative) aspect of existence.



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Im stating what is real

Understanding is the pinnacle of evolution as far as I am concerned. Basically, existence comprehending itself. "WE" (mankind-conscious life) are the 'who' that are doing it. Nothing speculative about that. Proof, again 'words' are mankind articulating its experience to exist, beyond that point of views awareness, but that another (generation) can pick up from where the previous left off.

Knowledge itself is evolving with this mechanism.

My speculative point, in which I can never experience, is where it gets spooky (action at a distance), the Word; mankind can create, and with the use the correct math, and run it in a time scale shows a t<0. Meaning; existence creates itself, by the 'word'. It would mean that you and I are responsible for our own existence.

So you have the absolute of truth, then my own disclosure on the speculative part, that as far as I am concerned, how the 'other' teams even derived the idea of 'existence being speculative'. The entanglement of existence as 1, enables the comprehension that what 'we' are, within the embodiment of 'all mass, all energy, all time' being nature itself, the garden, existence (god)

Rendering the transition of the three, to the letter (math/theorem) is to name existence (the name of god).

It's the last word, to all arguments.

 

"God" is a useful device for contemplating many ideas, but a device is all it is nonetheless. It exists only in human minds as a kind of support for understanding reality. I have far more respect for ideas that do not rely on that support, but rather stay closer to what is supported by observed facts alone.

 

Our purpose is spiritual, intellectual, cultural, and physical evolution. It is growth and development involving two main areas:

1. The threefold spiritual attributes

2. The four material vehicles.

Most of the process must be accomplished in living incarnations.

Every multicellular creature in this world starts as a seed as a potential of its parent(s) and proceeds towards full expression of that potential.

While some individual cell types such as amoebas can revert to spore stages, most others spread by budding, i.e. cell mitosis in which the chromosomes replicate and the cell divides into two cells. Speculatively, new universes are formed by some kind of budding. For a supposed first-hand witness, see Ambassador Zot.

An acorn is intent on becoming an oak tree. An oak tree’s only main purpose is to produce acorns. We, however, are something much more than mere acorns and oak trees.

We begin as seeds of God. The full flowering of an individual extends into spiritual dimensions and goes beyond this physical planet. This planet is our nursery, but the swarms of humanity do not reach the fullness of perfection here. It is necessary to outgrow this place; otherwise be continually trapped and mired in all the material machinations as if there is nothing greater to grasp.

The Ageless Wisdom asserts that the processes for fulfillment of perfection is certain for everyone, either sooner for some or later for all that remain. None will be lost, and there is nothing to be saved from except self-inflicted karma of transgressions. The intelligent person will cooperate with the plan of the ultimate parent.

 

Nonexistance: What's the point?

It does not follow that becaus we exist there is point to it. Squirrels don't ponder the point of their existance because it's not in their compacity to do so. In other words the only reason we ask this question is because we can not because their is an answer to it.

What we do with our existance is simply up to each of us and the only consensus we should concern ourselves with is the overall well being of everyone on the planet from the most basic of foundations. Once we start telling people how they should live their lives when there is no suffering being caused to others we have crossed the line. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

The rest is simply the journey of existance that we have no choice but to figure out as we go.

 

I don't know. That is the same question i am asking! But i agree that as physical beings we will not survive, & our genetic makeup will be mixed & diluted as it has for previous generations. So with the certainty & inevitability of death, why does it hold such terror for us? Why do people look for ways to beat it?

Well this was a very nice sermon, but of course it is all opinion. There is no consensus about god or an afterlife, in the human experience. You may see 'god in the middle of your eyes,' but many of us don't.

Well, from an individual perspective, i would agree that there is no absolute objective reality. But all of science & technology depends on us making observations about the world about us, & predicting repeatable responses. That is, an objective reality, not a fickle reality where the rules change. We make an observation about gravity. Others corroborate our observation. We measure, test, & discover things about it that fit within an OBJECTIVE reality. It is not dependent on our personal views, but is always there, functioning outside of our beliefs & opinions. So by definition, gravity, & facts like it in the universe, are objective facts, not dependent on individual interpretation. Of course, sometimes there are differences on WHAT facts are objective reality, but that's another discussion. I'm sticking with the bare bones ones here.

Now when you move into the abstract, or the unmeasurable realm, we do not have objective reality, but surmise, conjecture, theory, opinion, & subjectivism. Some people try to bridge that gap, & apply the methods of one to the other. But the soul cannot be 'tested', nor can gravity be swayed by our arguments.

IMO, evolution does not explain why 'the question' is with us. It is NOT something that enhances our survival, nor does it strengthen us as humans. The basics, that have been mentioned many times, have been covered.. food, water, protection.. aka, survival. Then is reproduction. Then is 'play', or however you want to define the things we do that are not related to the first 2.

But in the middle of all that, there is another nagging question: Is this all there is? We call it angst, midlife crises, philosophy, religion, or a number of other things. But it is the quest for meaning, answers, purpose... however you want to define it. I do NOT see evolution explaining that inner nag. Evolution would remove that question. We would be more carefree about the future, or abstract reasonings. The humans that seem to be most taken with 'the question' will kill themselves, or devote themselves to monastic solitude in their vain search for it. Those genetic tendencies should have been weeded out of the human conditions eons ago, yet it is still here.

 

Yes.

This is heaven.

You are rock, that can cause 'life' by choice. Never gonna happen again, from your point of view (consciousness of that body). We each practice death each nite that we sleep. Then one day, we dont wake up.

That's it!!!!!!!!!

get over it!


The morons cant let go of the BS.

The religious folk need to grow up, while the sciences catch up; both are sob's to changing long held 'belief/paradigm'.


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I am being objective, to assist you. I know you are capable, but you aint figured it out.

ie..... subjective to the knowledge, for the period but not subject to existing. You need to bridge YOU as being relevant.

That is all ranting!

You do have an affect upon eternity, existence and the life after (your splash, that you leave upon (eternity, existence) nature)

ie..... your last post would not exist, with the ignorance represented, if "It is a fact and has no bearing on eternity or the existence of an afterlife"

Because now, you would not feel so .......?!?!? pride or Ignorance??? ***** you have to tell us your experience.

Either way, you created (them posts), they do exist, and they affect 'everything' whether you like it, or not!



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I think reproduction overpowers almost all else in people, same as in the rest of the animal kingdom. People breed and breed, even when they live in the worst of conditions and are practically starving to death. The sexual urge is always there and always quite strong.

The rest is attributable to our complex minds, which of course developed as natural selection favoured intelligence over pure physical prowess. It's clear to see how and why that worked.

 

I agree with all of that. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. By subjective vs objective I mean our experience of reality is subjective to our own unique existence. Our exact experience of a particular event and even phenomenons like gravity is unique to our subjective experience.

 

Oh, sure, you can sit there in your lotus position & dogmatically assert whatever YOUR belief is, but that does not compel anyone else to buy your bs. It's not whoever yells the loudest, or is the rudest, or acts the cockiest.. truth has nothing to do with those communication intimidation tactics. Truth does not care if we are wrong, and obviously, many of us are. 'Morons' throughout the ages have searched for answers.. many of them a lot smarter than you or me. Mental acuity doesn't cut it. Neither does education. Maybe it's all bluff & bravado.. each person yelling their world view, hoping to drown out any dissenters.

This isn't heaven. Heaven either doesn't exist, or we aren't in it. If you're going to use abstract concepts, you can't reduce them to empirical reality. You either reject any abstracts, or consider the possibility. You can't just redefine abstracts as visible reality.

 

I had the same gnawing until my conversion to Christianity. I call it the God void that only he can fill.

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The Bible says that God is love.

Love is what drives us.

 

to christianity...... really?

Most evolve away from christianity, to avoid the BS.

love is based on entanglement (gravity); a property of nature (god tself).

The bible claims that man was kicked out of the garden but the honest man, knows better as he must, eat, sheet and breath of 'the garden' to even live.

Babble, is like a guideline, similar to the 'pirates code'

Empathy (care for others); an instinct. (see mother to infant)

 

i dont sit like that, and perhaps could not even get into that position. It was found (the piicture) to show the buddha meeting god (touching the earth)

And I dont like beliefs, I enjoy what is real.

I know, 'truth' describes what is real. The mad part is that I do judge, just like anyone else can,

And lying is for the dying. I hate liars, dont you!

I agree with all them comments.

I am easy.

if my kids lie to my face, i slap them cold and immediate. How about you?

How is that?

You came from earth (nature) and will return (dust to dust) and now, while conscious, is the ONLY time, ever, that your mass (that body) will ever have a choice, again. Is there one, even mispelled, false or incorrect analogy in that claim?

The problem is, the idiots DO NOT APPRECIATE.

hence: to know bliss (heaven), appreciate every moment (i didnt read these lines from someone else, i created them)

I can do what ever I want.
If I choose to create 'ghonapsyphilherpalaids' from a combining of words, then so can you. Just as you trying to correct me, but failing based on ignorance.

I say, god is nature itself. DO you have a problem with that abstract becoming empirical?

idiots once thought, 'god' was throwing the lightning to earth but as knowledge evolved, 'we (most) all, know better"

I can do what I will and that is a fact of nature (god).

 

Yes, it seems the reproductive urge trumps all others. I can personally attest to that.

Hmm.. when did that happen, & can that be verified? If you accept that for most of human history, the technology was pretty low, & it has only been the last few hundred years when the mind of man seemed to create weapons to overcome the brawn of man.. mostly in the last 200. Spears, clubs, & swords still needed big bruisers to swing them. So i don't think you have a case that it was millions of years of mental evolution that suddenly brought about this abstract yearning in man. Ancient philosophers have written about it, long before the equalizing effects of technological advancement gave smart people an edge. I think that is a projection & assumption, with no evidence to back it up.

Then you would agree with augustine about the 'god shaped hole' in every man, that only he can fill'. You almost quote it verbatim!

I agree that sometimes 'love' is a driving motivation in humans. Women will defend their children. Men will fight aggressively to fend off an invading force. Some of that can be viewed through a 'herd instinct' filter, or be explained through that. I will agree that sometimes, there are actions in humans that don't seem to fit the mold. What drives a young japanes man to get in a small plane, filled with explosives, & fly it into a ship, to kill others? Or a jihadist from hijacking a jet & flying into a building, to kill innocent people? Is it devotion to a leader? An abstract 'cause'? It seems to go beyond the natural instinct to protect the 'herd' of the person, but he transcends that & applies personal sacrifice. Are they not motivated by 'Love'? Was not the japanese suicide pilot motivated by love for his culture, family, & heritage, & offers his own life to oppose any enemies to his 'cause'? I'm not talking about brainwashing, or propaganda, or indoctrination, but the motivation that drives the individual.

 

Survival, reproduction and play might be what give us the same existence as any other species, but reasoning, meditation and similar appear to be the key to solve the question.

Where our knowledge goes after our existence? So much technology and efforts to discover and find answers, what for... for to be buried 6 feet underground and that is all?

Having the capability to ask the question, is just what is telling us that there is a purpose other than survival, reproduction and play.

 

Love is all we live for. In fact, babies will die without it for no apparent reason.

We crave relationship, and without it, we do not thrive and ultimately turn to unhealthy ways to compensate for a lack of it.

 

Even God doesn't love everyone.

 

Well, everyone but you.

 

God still hates Esau and Satan. He's still ticked off at Adam & Eve. And one day he's going to kill all life on Earth and destroy the planet. That dude really holds a grudge.

 

He did not hate Esau, he hated what he did.

So what is a loving God to do when they commit murder? Ignore it or punish it?