Explaining John's Revelation

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    The word combination "servants of God" means "prophets". This means that according to Revelation 1:1, this book was written for prophets, not for mere mortals.

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: (1:1)

    In other words, this Revelation of John is a tool for preparing future prophets. People who have prepared themselves for the role of prophets should use Revelation as a textbook.

    Of course, other people can also read Revelation, just as anyone can read a university physics textbook, this will broaden his horizons. But not everyone becomes a physicist, just as not everyone who reads Revelation will become a prophet.

    Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand. (1:2)

    I decided to create this topic to fill in some of the gaps many people have in their understanding of Revelation. I do not undertake to interpret the entire Revelation in all its details, because it is impossible for a person. But maybe some things will become clearer to you.

    To begin with, we must determine which world is spoken of in Revelation, visible or invisible.

    It seems clear enough to me that Revelation describes the spiritual world. This is the world of spiritual ideas of today's people. This is the world, the creation of which is allegorically described in the first chapters of Genesis. Adam's spirit world will be destroyed as a result of God's Judgment as described in Revelation. Therefore, the Revelation does not speak of the destruction of the planet Earth, it does not speak of the physical destruction of people, but it speaks of the destruction of human religious ideas, the spiritual death of many believers.

    The Bible was written by the hands of many people, but at the same time, all these people were guided by God's Spirit. Therefore, the language of images of Holy Scripture is the same for all books of the Bible, including non-canonical (apocryphal) books.

    For example, if we read in Revelation 17:15 that "the waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues", the same interpretation applies to Genesis 1:2, "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". "Water" is the image of people.

    If we understand that the "beasts" from the 13th chapter of Revelation are beings of the spirit world, we should understand in a similar way the beasts, which were named by man in Genesis 2:2.

    After all, we should not think that the Most High God is so unreasonable that he could give the ancient prophets a false revelation about the origin of the earth and humanity, contrary to modern scientific ideas. Rather, we must see ourselves as being unreasonable to such an extent that some of us even today deny the theory of evolution and the emergence of the universe billions of years ago.
     
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    Those who read the book of the prophet Ezekiel should have noticed that the Revelation of John in many ways repeats that described in Ezekiel. These are four-faced animals, this is a bitter book scroll, which was sweet at first. This is the view of God's throne, this is the dimensions of the Temple. This is also a sign that is placed on the foreheads of God's people, and these are 12 or 13 trees of paradise. This is Gog from the land of Magog, and this is the amazing City of God.

    Both of these books paint pictures of the spirit world. But there is one main difference. The last 9 chapters of the book of the prophet Ezekiel describe the material world.

    In Revelation, the material Temple is mentioned only in passing, at the end of the 11th chapter:

    And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (11:19)

    It is written here about the "ark of the covenant", and this should not confuse you. The old ark of the covenant will not be, according to Jeremiah 3:16. Revelation says that the Third Temple itself will be the Ark of the Covenant. An example of such a speech structure is the expression "God appeared in Jesus Christ".

    Here we meet the word "hail". It occurs more than once in Revelation. What does this word mean according to the language of images of the spiritual world? There is some clue at Revelation 16:21 :

    And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.


    According to the parable of talents (Matthew 25), we know that talent is not only a measure of weight. Therefore, hail is a thrown word, and "a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent" is a multitude of talented words.

    Should I explain that there are different categories of believers, there are "carnal" and there are "spiritual"? The carnal live on earth, rely on religious rules in their denominations. Spiritual people live in the Heavenly Kingdom, for them confessional affiliation does not matter.

    Therefore, when Revelation speaks of hail, we understand that this "hail" is an image of words that come from spiritual believers and cause pain to carnal believers.
     
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    Most people have an established belief that God is "out there". Christians are no exception: the official creed insists that there are only three forms of God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What if it isn't?

    Indeed, how do you relate this picture to God?

    After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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    Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    (7:9,15)

    How is the official Christian doctrine of the Trinity supposed to treat people in whom God will manifest himself in this world? Will the Christian religion reject them?

    Right. They will crucify them.

    Now something becomes clear to us in the 8th chapter of Revelation. There in the text there is the expression "third part". In the Greek original there is only one word, "third," in Greek, "tritos." "Tritos" is consonant with the "three Theos", that is, the Trinity. This is a common feature of Christians, according to the Creed.

    Thus, after God reveals himself in the world in a bodily form, in people who are sealed by the Holy Spirit, the Christian religion will reject these people as false Christs and false prophets, and by this Christianity will doom itself to a terrible death. Death in Revelation is not the physical death of people. Death here means cutting off from God, who is the source of life for believers.
     
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    Some theists spend significant time pretending they are special.
     
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    I think that everyone knows this, but still I will repeat.

    The image of the sea in the Bible is a world where people like fish swim at the request of the soul, as they like.
    The earth in the Bible is a religious world, carnal believers. They live in denominations and follow religious rules in their lives.
    The sky in the Bible is the firmament of the Holy Spirit, on which the wise men and teachers of mankind live. They are like the stars in the sky. The sun is the image of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The moon is the image of the Church as an ecumenical assembly of believers, in which the light of Christ is reflected even at night.

    Rivers in Holy Scripture are religious currents in time. The Euphrates River is the image of Judaism. The Tigris River is the image of Christianity. The river Shatt al-Arab is not in Scripture, but this river, which emerged from the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in the 5th century, is Islam. All three of these rivers are Babylonian rivers. Judaism is not the law of Moses, but the rabbinic adaptation of the law to the realities of the Babylonian captivity, when the law cannot actually be fulfilled. Christianity is not the teaching of Jesus Christ, but an adaptation of the New Testament to "Babylon", where Christianity serves the states of this world, Caesars and presidents.

    The Gihon River appears to belong to the Eastern religions.

    The Pison River is the future believing world, when people will believe in God and live without religious rites.

    The fact that Revelation says there will be no sea in the future indicates that all people in this world will become believers.
     
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    I'm confused by what exactly you mean by that.

    It describes spiritual forces that are manifesting in the physical world.
     
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    Of course, the spiritual world manifests itself in the material world. But in Revelation Armageddon is not a military battle, but a battle for personal prosperity: "Ar-Megid-Do" - "Mountain of the City of Happiness". Therefore, all other interpretations of Armageddon can be immediately thrown into the trash. Laodicean church, "Laos" - "people", "Dikos" - "custom", these are worldly Christians. It is these Christians who are most at risk of plunging into a shameful pursuit of earthly prosperity, where everyone will see their nakedness.
     
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    just don't eat from that tree of knowledge, that seems to upset God

    personally, this is more what I believe

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    No, not everyone agrees with that (I don't know anyone who does). Most believe Sea=Gentiles, Earth=Jews.

    Common view about "The beast rises out of the Sea having seven heads and ten horns" is that the anti-Christ comes from Europe, where the heads and horns represent European nations.

    The Revelation has countless interpretations, so no one "knows" anything, they just believe one view, or some other view.
     
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    Antichrist is not a beast at all. The Antichrist is the "image of the beast." Jesus Christ is the image of God, and every Caesar or president is the image of the beast.

    There is a beast from the sea, this is the entire human civilization.

    There is a second beast from the earth, this is a false prophetic spirit in Christian denominations that serve the first beast.

    and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (13:11)

    There is the President of the United States, this is the "image of the beast", the Antichrist.

    Antichrist cannot be a beast from the sea, because a person always has one head, not seven.

    The seven heads of the beast from the sea are the seven world empires of biblical history: Ancient Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA.

    And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (17:10)

    Europe, like the rest of the world, is the "body" of the beast. There is the Body of Christ in which people are saved. There is the body of the beast in which people go to destruction. When humanity is ruled by an animal instinct, the desire for material prosperity, this is the beast.
     
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    The apostles catch the "fish" in the unbelieving world with a net of the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, the sea is an unbelieving world.
     
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    Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. (12:12)

    It says here that people who live outside the denominations of Christianity, leaning on the firmament of the Holy Spirit, will rejoice. At the same time, for people living in the world and for carnal Christians in Christian denominations, a terrible time will come, because the devil will work among them in terrible power and fury. This picture corresponds to when the Awakening comes, and it will become clear that the Third Temple will be built in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, which will destroy the power of the devil in this world in three and a half years.

    And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (13:6)

    It is written here that the beast of human civilization blasphemes God, blasphemes the Kingdom of Heaven, blasphemes people who live in obedience to the Holy Spirit, outside the denominations of Christianity. The mouth of this beast is Judaism, because the description of this beast refers us to the four beasts from the prophecy of Daniel, where the lion is Judaism as a political force in the world.
     
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    This image of Revelation has been thoroughly investigated to this day. The mountain in the Holy Scriptures is the image of a certain teaching. For example, Matthew 5,6,7 — Sermon on the Mount. Or Mount Zion — Zionism, Jewish or Christian, the doctrine of returning to their historical homeland in Israel. The Mount of Olives is the teaching of Jesus Christ about the signs of His Second Coming. This teaching was given to the four disciples when they were with Jesus on the Mount of Olives.

    The second point we must remember:

    Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

    (Матфея 21:21)

    Note that Jesus spoke these words while pointing his disciples to the Mount of Olives because they were on their way from Bethany to Jerusalem.

    So, the words of Jesus about the fall of the mountain into the sea refer to the Mount of Olives. That is, the teaching of Jesus Christ about the signs of the Second Coming will fall into the unbelieving world - this is the meaning of what is written in Revelation 8:8 :

    And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

    That is, as the symptoms of the Second Coming intensify, when wars, famines, earthquakes are added to the Covid-19 epidemic, then many unbelievers will discover what is written in Matthew 24 and will be horrified: everything is coming true before their eyes! "The third part" of the sea is the "tritos", "three Theos", the Christian part of the world will become like blood, unanimous in its horror of what is happening. (Blood = soul).
     
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    They thought the Messiah was about to come and become king. Instead, the Romans came and burned the Temple.

    Others, the same, today think that just about, and they will fly to heaven. Instead, all sorts of misfortunes fall on the world, all their savings are lost, and some hicks rejoice that as if the Lord God is with them now!

    This is how the beginning of the apocalypse will look from the point of view of purebred Christians from denominations.

    It turns out that their faith in their leaders will not save them from God's wrath. But they will not learn a lesson for themselves, and soon a more successful leader will join their efforts to restore the old world order. The USA, the head of the beast, will be healed, and the world deceived by the Christian religion will rush after the Antichrist to nowhere, to prosperity.

    This is the general idea of God's Judgment according to Revelation.
     
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    The lamp is a commandment. Some virgins did not have a supply of olive oil to fulfill the commandment. Therefore, when Hanukkah came and there was a cry: "The groom is coming!", some Christians got confused and rushed to buy canned food and ammunition, instead of rejoicing and praising the Lord. Perhaps, in a hurry, some of the Christians even lost their lamps, or they did not have lamps at all, because they did not have any commandment from Jesus Christ.

    In any case, when such people recollected themselves, and having prayed, received the oil of the Holy Spirit, it turned out that it was already too late: those who had gone to the wedding feast did not recognize these people as Christians. The wise virgins did not open the doors of their hearts.

    the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    The sixth seal are those that are left. The seventh seal is those who had a supply of oil in their lamps.
     
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    The Pharisees were very good people. The Pharisees fasted two days a week. They paid tithe even of mint. The Apostle Paul was a Pharisee, and he worked with his own hands, was not dependent on anyone. The Pharisees donated money to build synagogues. They were clean and washed their hands often.

    After the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus Christ, He stopped working anywhere. He attracted disciples who also quit their jobs. Jesus, along with his disciples, asked to visit different people, tax collectors and sinners. The publicans arranged feasts for them. This way of life looked very dubious from the point of view of well-bred Jews.

    Now imagine a picture: some people came to the Third Temple, from nowhere. These people were given white capes and they received white headbands with the inscription: "Shrine from Yahweh." After that, these people hang out around the Temple without any business. They hang around there for a year, two, three ... Someone feeds them, they are given meat and wine. Why are they hanging around there? They say that a city should be built for them and land allocated in Israel, in northern Egypt, in Lebanon and in Syria. Isn't this behavior reprehensible? Normal Christians work day and night, with great zeal, trying to improve the quality of life on Earth, and these people are at the Temple, what are they doing useful?

    And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. (Matthew 10:22)

    Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Daniel 12:12)

    This last verse refers to Revelation 16:19-21, which describes the appearance of the city from Ezekiel 48.
     
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    Now that we have noted some of the key points in the interpretation of Revelation, we can begin a more coherent presentation of the meaning of this book. First, we will present it in the form of a synopsis.

    Seven churches.

    The period of Awakening of Christians, seven colors of the morning sky.

    Red. The Ephesian Church is non-denominational Christians. False apostles are the people who created the denominations of Christianity. God rebukes the non-denominational for the loss of love because they left their previous congregations.

    Orange. Smyrna Church — the people who will build the Third Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. They will be condemned, but they are not threatened with a second death from universal condemnation. Tribulation ten days - this is the time for the consecration of the altar of the Third Temple, from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur. This church is flawless in the eyes of God, except for her, only the Church of Philadelphia is flawless.

    Yellow, the color of gold. Pergamos Church — Christians among politicians and oligarchs. Antipas means "Against All", this church always cooperates with the authorities, whatever they may be.

    Green. Dawn is near, terrestrial vegetation is turning green. The Thyatira Church is the ministry of the denominations of Christianity, the only church in which God sees love. In denominations there is Jezebel - a false prophetic spirit, "a beast from the earth" who calls Christians to commit adultery with this world.

    Light blue. Sardis Church — Christians who know the Holy Scriptures. The letter kills, but knowledge of the Bible is necessary in order not to get carried away by erroneous ideas.

    Blue. The moment the sun rises, the appearance of the Messiah. Philadelphia Church — the elect from the four winds entering the Eastern gate of the Third Temple, built in Israel in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. The angel of this church is equal to God, He will be worshiped. This Angel will receive a new name, which will be the name of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming: ISRAEL.

    Violet and ultraviolet. Laodicean Church — Secular Christians. "Laos" — "people", "dikos" — "custom". Painted eggs and Easter cakes, Christmas trees and gifts, all their Christianity lies in the observance of folk traditions. They are blind and therefore have no sin. But they can be carried away to Armageddon, the battle for personal prosperity, and this will show the shame of such a Christianity. God offers them to buy gold, that is, to accept Christians from the Church of Philadelphia as holy ones.

    Red is the antagonist of green, non-denominational and denominational Christians are mutually exclusive and do not accept each other. Otherwise, each individual Christian can belong to several churches at the same time.
     
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    Why not use the word 'prophet' then? If that was the intention.
     
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    Seven seals.

    The lifting of seals is the appearance of certain signs of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, which are visible only to believers.

    The first seal is the idea of building the Third Temple as a meeting place for the elect from the four winds, in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. The rider has a bow:

    When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
    And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

    (Zechariah 9:13,14)

    The Jews will be the "bow" driving force for the "arrow" of Ephraim, the gathering of the lost tribes of Israel. And this will be the "lightning" of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

    The second seal is verbal murder in denominations, mutual excommunication, cutting off from God, who is the source of life for the believer.

    The third seal is the emergence of a hunger for the word of God in denominations, with an abundance of oil of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit and an abundance of joyful intoxication with foreboding of something extraordinary.

    The fourth seal is the appearance of dire wolves, false prophets, who will carry many Christians with them with their false miracles and great signs.

    The fifth seal is the deep sorrow of spiritual Christians seeing the fall of their communities. The prayers of the grieving righteous, demanding revenge against the destroyers of Christianity, produces the following sign:

    The sixth seal is God's answer to the prayers of the righteous for vengeance.

    The seventh seal is the wise virgins who rejoice at the beginning of the Awakening. They leave the carnal denominations for a marriage feast with the Lord, outside the confines of Christian denominations.
     
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    "Servant of God" is a well-known biblical expression for a prophet. For example,

    Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending [them: ]
    (Jeremiah 7:25)
     
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    What about the other 52 verses with Servant in it?

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    Leviticus 25:55
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    For the sons of Israel are My servants; they are My servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

    Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Servants-Of-The-Lord
     
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    Seven trumpets.

    Trumpets of Angels are an intensification of visible events and signs foreshadowing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, when these phenomena become visible to all people, including unbelievers.

    The first trumpet is a hail of accusatory words from Christians who have united together outside of confessions, in the Heavenly Kingdom, in heaven in the Holy Spirit - against carnal Christians who remain in their denominations.

    The second trumpet is the obvious signs of the fulfillment of the words of Jesus, said by him on the Mount of Olives, about the signs of His Second Coming. This "mountain" plunges the entire Christian world into the Great Tribulation.

    The third trumpet is the emergence of a leader, the Antichrist, who will try to rectify the situation by calling all carnal Christians in denominations to pray for the restoration of the old world, for the healing of the United States.

    Fourth trumpet: all leaders of all Christian denominations will join the Antichrist. The whole nominal church ceases to be God's. All the teachers of Christianity "fall" from heaven, becoming together with the Antichrist against the saints living in heaven, that is, in unity in the Holy Spirit, outside of denominations.

    The fifth trumpet, pseudo-evangelizers of false Christianity, into which Christian denominations have turned, are trying to tempt all people to join them in their prayers for the old world order, against the saints.

    The sixth trumpet of the Angel, Av 9, the leaders of Israel decide to build the Third Temple because they have no other choice. This happens exactly 1 year, 1 month, 1 day and 1 hour before the eleventh day of the seventh month of Tishrei, when the Eastern gates of the Third Temple will be closed. This will be the moment of the Rapture of the Church, chosen from the four winds that appeared in the Temple. And this is the moment of death of the Christian religion, their general falling away from God into the power of Antichrist.

    The seventh trumpet of the Angel is after the closing of the East Gate of the Third Temple, after sunset on Yom Kippur. After that, the saints in the Temple will wait for three years when the Judgments of God over the Christian religion and Judaism will take place.
     
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    There are aspects when the whole nation can act as a prophet. For example, the "Two Witnesses" from Revelation 11 are all Messiah's faithful Jews and Christians. When the Jewish people are seen as an instrument in God's hand for certain signs to other nations, then the entire nation of Israel can be a prophet.
     
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    Two witnesses.

    Two witnesses from Revelation 11 are identical to two olives from Romans 11, also identical to two sticks from Ezekiel 37. These "two witnesses", Jews and Gentiles, faithful to the Messiah, died in 2005, when the Christian religion did not react to God's sign of fantastic power - coincidence of two earthquakes with the main holidays of Christianity, Christmas 2004 and Easter 2005. The probability of an accidental coincidence of these events is extremely small, this can happen about 1 time in 1.5 million years. But they did not pay attention to this coincidence in Christianity, because Christianity is a dead religion, there are no prophets there. Thus, since the construction of the Second Temple in Adar in 516 BC. 1260 + 1260 = 2520 years passed before the sign of death of Christianity in March 2005.
     
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    That is a very interesting analysis. Thanks for sharing.
     

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