Explaining John's Revelation

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  1. Aryeh B.

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    The gold that the Lord God gave through the Egyptians was used to make the golden calf.
     
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    But it did not make them free. Our Declaration of Independence basically states that there is one God from whom we all spring. And is therefore the essence our equality in freedom. Such is the mercy of God and the privilege to worship him according to the dictates of our consciences and the power of free choice.
     
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    But now in 2021 we are all weaker... and more humble......
    which could be a good beginning.....

     
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    It is useless to build 4 temples. God only needs one.
     
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    The Beast Coming out of the Sea is a critical Narrative for any apocalyptic story which involving struggles between the ancient Gods of Genesis.

    The Serpent in the Adam-Eve Story is not "Satan" but Tiamat. Tiamat is one of two primodal Gods/Forces - Tiamat opposed the other Gods.. but it was not a "Good vs Evil" struggle in ancient times . was a struggle between Order and Chaos.

    Tiamat - unlike Posidon - is Female - she is the Yin to the Most High's Yang
     
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    Your comment is logical.....
    but the world is facing a possible Bear Market, another 1929... and we need to begin discussions that could inspire the world into an economic boom as opposed to a hyper inflationary depression like so many seem to want.


    I believe that a large portion of the Hollywood film industry will move to Israel once the corruption that has been going on there begins to be exposed with a rapidity that will boggle our minds.




    Artistic Hollywood style "Armageddon" could bring world out of recession?!


    Many statements here have what could be termed Artistic Value.....

     
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    The economic boom will be arranged by the Antichrist. Why do you need pointless work? The meaning of life is not in industrial production or unlimited consumption. The kingdom of God is not meat and drink.

    The film industry in the city of Yahweh Shammah will be free, it will destroy commercial cinema.
     
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    "The Bible was written by the hands of many people, but at the same time, all these people were guided by God's Spirit[.]" -- And your proof of this claims is what exactly?
     
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    The language of images in Holy Scripture is the same everywhere, from Genesis to Revelation. And when there is a riddle in one book of the Bible, then the answer, most likely, must be sought in another book of the Bible.
     
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    I notice you dodge the question I asked. The Bible cannot be inspired by any Holy Spirit when:

    1. Information in the Bible is false.
    2. And books in the Bible conflict with each other.

    With regard to #1, the Earth is not 5000 years old, there was never a global flood, and humans are the result of evolution. The Exodus story is made up (see link below) And the Gospels are anonymous hearsay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
    There are two main positions on the historicity of the Exodus in modern scholarship.[3] The majority position is that the biblical Exodus narrative has some historical basis, although there is little of historical worth in the biblical narrative.[8][25][1] The other position, often associated with the school of Biblical minimalism,[26][27] is that the biblical exodus traditions are the invention of the exilic and post-exilic Jewish community, with little to no historical basis.[28] The biblical Exodus narrative is best understood as a founding myth of the Jewish people, providing an ideological foundation for their culture and institutions, not an accurate depiction of the history of the Israelites.[29][1] The view that the biblical narrative is essentially correct unless it can explicitly be proven wrong (Biblical maximalism) is today held by "few, if any [...] in mainstream scholarship, only on the more fundamentalist fringes."[3]
     
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    In order to understand the Bible, one needs to have the Holy Spirit. Without establishing a personal relationship with God, a person will not understand the Bible.

    The Bible is not a history, astronomy, or biology book. What is written in the book of Genesis is an allegory. It shows the creation of the inner world of modern man.

    The fact that Christian fundamentalists do not understand Holy Scripture when they deny the theory of evolution indicates that they do not have the Holy Spirit. Modern Christianity is very far from God, it is a dead religion.

    Nevertheless, in spite of the fact that the majority of Christians do not understand the Holy Scriptures, the word of God builds the future of mankind and makes judgment on people, first of all, on the Christians themselves.
     
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    Days are years. 3 and a half years.
     
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    There should be a clear understanding of who the "two witnesses" are, who the "living on earth" are and who the "beast from the sea" is.

    The two witnesses are the part of Jews and Gentiles, faithful to Jesus Christ, that is, faithful from Judaism and from Christianity. These are two olives from Romans 11 and these are two sticks from Ezekiel 37.

    "Those who dwell on earth" are believers who identify themselves with certain denominations, both in Christianity and in Judaism. These are carnal believers who say to themselves: " I am of Paul", "I [am] of Apollos", I am a Baptist, I am a Lutheran, etc.

    The beast from the sea is the universal desire of people for prosperity, it is the entire system of the world, political, economic and social. The entire current civilization is a "beast" that has subjugated all people to build a material paradise, outside of God.

    The prophecy of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 can have several layers of fulfillment. One layer has already been realized, from the construction of the Second Temple to the second earthquake in Easter 2005, 1260 + 1260 = 2520 years have passed, exactly. After that, there was a period of exactly 3.5 years, ending with the crisis, when the Dow Jones index fell by 777 points in Rosh Hashanah, which was a historical record for the fall of this index in one day. That is, we have (1) lack of reaction in Christianity and Judaism to the sign from God, 2 earthquakes coincided with Christmas 2004 and Easter 2005; (2) the reaction is not in religion, but in the world -— the fall of Dow Jones. Religions are dead, but now the world is reviving, in the form of a crisis. There was a term of 3.5 years, from March 28, 2005 to September 29, 2008.

    But we do not see the complete picture that is in Revelation 11, we do not see mutual gifts and we do not see the joy in the denominations of Christianity and in Judaism. Therefore, this fulfillment of the timing, consistent with the 1260 days of Revelation 11, cannot be taken as a complete fulfillment.

    Now let's try to imagine the future when the Third Temple will be built. We have the "elect ones", the "male child", who are caught up to God, that is, who live in the Heavenly Kingdom (while remaining in earthly bodies). We have a "woman who has given birth to a male child" who is forced to hide from the dragon, that is, from the devil. And we have "the rest of her seed, who have the testimony of Jesus Christ." These "others", remaining within the denominations of Christianity, continue to denounce the "beast", the general fascination with wealth, the desire for mammon. And these "others" having the power to be prophets will be "killed", that is, they will no longer be able to convict the carnal believers.

    The term of their "death" is 3.5 days, but it is logical to assume that this period is 3.5 years. Since the end of the "abomination of desolation" for Christianity will be 1290 days after Tishrei 11, when the Eastern gates are closed, then the date for the return to life of the two witnesses can be tied to the same date, to Nisan 1, 2027. Then it is possible to determine the approximate moment of the "death" of the two witnesses, this will happen about a month after the consecration of the altar of the Third Temple.

    I know one of the interpretations of the parable of the wise virgins, which speaks of the fate of those who were late to buy oil, but then still bought, that is, received the power of the Holy Spirit. However, despite the power of the Holy Spirit they received, they were no longer allowed to the wedding feast in the Third Temple, that is, they could not become the chosen ones. Therefore, they had to become reproving prophets, because the Holy Spirit gives them such authority and power.

    So, wise virgins who received the power of the Holy Spirit in advance will go to the Temple for a wedding feast, and the devil has no power over them. These people will have to have faith and patience for 1335 days until the judgment of everyone else in this world is completed. The foolish virgins will incarnate as "two witnesses" to denounce those Christians and Jews who are carried away by building a material "paradise" after the Antichrist. “A woman who has given birth to a male child,” that is, believers who accompany the elect, but who are not themselves the elect, will wisely hide and will not denounce the wicked, because the timing of their iniquity is limited by the Lord God.

    Now I am drawing the diagram like this:

    70th_daniel.jpg
     
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    John's Revelation really is a mystery - or a kind of a puzzle.
     
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    Very interesting! So now tell me about the reference to the morning star .... "I am the .... bright morning star".

    @Mircea you seem to be knowledgeable of this so what do you think about my question?

    Thanks!
     
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    Gifts? To whom? Native American Indians? Arabs? Workers?
     
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    To all Americans of course. As for me, I am thankful.
     
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    The two horns of a false prophet in the Christian religion are false godliness (2 Timothy 3:5) and false knowledge (1 Timothy 6:20). The real Lamb has seven horns, they are listed in Isaiah 11:2.
     
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    Everything is quite obvious there.

    Revelation 22:16 ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ λαμπρὸς ὁ πρωϊνός — "the bright and morning star" (KJV) ~ Jesus Christ
    Revelation 2:28 τὸν ἀστέρα τὸν πρωϊνόν — "the morning star" (KJV) ~ Jesus Christ
    2 Peter 1:19 φωσφόρος — "the day star" (KJV) ~ Jesus Christ

    If you mean Isaiah 14:12 in the NASB translation, then the Hebrew text is missing the expression "morning star" as in Job 38:7 —
    כּוֹכְבֵי בֹקֶר — "the morning stars" (KJV)

    Isaiah 14:12 הֵילֵל — "a shining one" — "Lucifer" (KJV) ~ Satan :
    And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14)

    Some things seem similar to us, but they have opposite properties. Satan tries to present himself as an angel of light. A false spirit in Christianity tries to present itself as a lamb, but it has only two horns, and not seven like a real Lamb. And these two horns of the false Christ are false godliness and false knowledge, and the name of this beast from the earth is "Tradition". The "morning star" from Revelation, Jesus Christ, has its anti-double, the "Star of Wormwood", which leads all carnal Christians into destruction. This "goat for azazel" will lead the deceived into the impassable wilderness. All these antichrists, like Napoleon, Lenin, Hitler, Putin, George W. Bush, and others, carry away many sinners to build the kingdom of this world, outside the Kingdom of God. And all these people will face severe disappointment and the complete collapse of their hopes. If you did not offer yourself as a sacrifice to God in Jesus Christ, then you will fall into the snares of crooks, and God will make it so that there will be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err. The servants of the beast from the earth, the false prophet, are many. For example, Kenneth Copeland mentioned here on the forum. They are really preaching another, false Jesus Christ, who is Lucifer.
     
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    George W Bush? What great evil did he accomplish moreso than any other faulted man.
     
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    The prince of this world is the devil. The Antichrist's fault is that he became the first student in the devil's school.
     
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    I don't follow/understand you. We all sin. That's why Jesus came. So what did President Bush do so wrong that would distinguish him differently than any other imperfect human being.
     
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    Jesus Christ is a sacrifice only for his followers.

    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)

    Jesus Christ sacrificed his life, and He has already received his life back. No one can pay with what Jesus has already received back. We can only ourselves become the same sacrifice to God as Jesus did. Because Jesus was an example for us. If we sacrifice our own life for God, then we will receive our lives back in the first resurrection.

    And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

    (Revelation 11:1,2)

    It is written here that God measures those who sacrificed themselves to Him. The rest of the Christians are pagans who have the same relationship to Jesus Christ as the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus and cast lots for His clothes. Even worse, the Christian denominations that crucified the Body of Christ today have become grave worms that devour the dead Body of Christ. "Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" is the Christian religion.

    Foolish sinners have come up with the false doctrine that Jesus' life is a payment for their sins. There's no such thing in Scripture. Jesus died, and He made it so that sinners never see Him until they themselves become believers and follow Him in their actions. Eternal life is received by BELIEVERS, not those who mutter, Lord, Lord, and yet do not do what Jesus commanded us.

    Now you will see the end of this stupid religion, Christianity. The Lord God will break the covenant with the nations. Because in the New Testament there are obligations for two parties, not only for God, but also for man. And when Christians fail to fulfill their obligations, then Jesus is not a sacrifice for their meaningless lives. The Third Temple in Israel is death for all participants in the shameful show of the Christian religion. Yes. Death to Russia, death to the United States. Death to popes and popular televangelists, death to patriarchs and "Christian" presidents. It will not be a physical death, it will be much worse: the second death, which is eternal condemnation.

    And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.

    (Revelation 19:17,18 )

    Do you think this is unfair? Why don't Christians do what Jesus told us to do? Why don't Christians fulfill the main commandment of Jesus Christ? Who created denominations, who dared to divide the Body of Christ by state borders? If there are boundaries of states, then these should not be boundaries for Christians, who should be one people of God. But Christians not only kill other Christians in wars, but they also PRAY for success in criminal deeds for their antichrists, caesars and presidents who send them to fight against other Christians like that.

    Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes?

    Your thesis that everyone is sinners is wrong. There are saints among sinners. Some ex-sinners might say about themselves: "For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain". The Day of the Lord will reveal those who live by this slogan today. For the saints, the destruction of this world is the joy of meeting the Lord. But Antichrist will call everyone to pray for the healing of the former world, for the healing of the United States, and he will be the enemy of God and all the saints.

    Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    (1 John 2:15)

    We already see that many so-called Christians are opposed to the construction of the Third Temple. That is, they are opposed to the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy. They feel that building the Temple in Israel will destroy their cozy but deceitful world, where they imagine themselves saved by Jesus when they are not. But they have not yet realized that the construction of this Temple is an inevitable event. When they understand this, they will be furious, and you will see what the beast is. It will be an indescribable rage, like the rage of the artisans in Ephesus, who turned into fierce beasts, when they realized that the preaching of the Apostle Paul could destroy the source of their income from the sale of idols.
     
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