Explaining John's Revelation

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    Judgment is Gods. You have judged Bush as an antichrist. I am asking what great wrong he did to justify your condemnation of him. He did not pretend to be the Savior or God. And he did not say there is no God. He merely fulfilled his duties as President. Faulted, yes. But antichrist? Every Saint was first a sinner. And all along the course of their perfecting they repent of new sins of thought, spirit and deed, depending upon the individual. One is not perfected in an instant. It is called the plan of salvation, not the plan of condemnation. And life is more than one day or one choice. Else the seasons would not roll on like Gods mercy and his hand outstretched towards us all of our days. Everyone has their seasons and todays sinner may well be tomorrows saint depending on their choice and readiness. God will be there if it is right. Isiah said all we like sheep have gone astray, each to his own way.
     
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    I am not judging Bush, I am simply stating the fact that he is an excellent candidate for the Antichrist.

    Do you know the secret of the tribe of Dan? This tribe is not among those sealed by the Holy Spirit, but this tribe will receive an allotment of land in the United Tribes of Israel along with other tribes. The tribe of Dan is the tribe of the Antichrist.

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    All I know of Dan is as a son of Jacob whom Jacob blessed or endowed with the responsibility to be the judge of his people. Why do you say his is the tribe of Antichrist?
     
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    In Revelation 7, the tribe of Dan is not among the list of those sealed by the Holy Spirit. That is, the tribe of Dan does not enter the Eastern gate of Ezeklel's Temple, but the tribe of Dan will have its allotment in Israel. And the tribe of Dan will have its own gates in the city of Yahweh Shammah.

    Jacob's prophecy of Dan with a strange exclamation at the end:

    Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
    Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
    I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD.

    (Genesis 49:16-18 )
     
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    Interesting. Thanks.
     
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    This is just not true.. the language and imagery and not even close to being the same - this is true for comparison of Books from the NT .. never mind comparing NT books to the OT .. The language and imagery is completely different .. often contradictory.

    The idea that all these people were guided by "Gods Spirit" demonstrably false on this basis but never mind any of the above. We don't have to compare different books to find different language and imagery... all we have to do is go to the same passage -- same book .. just from a different Bible to find completely different language and imagery.

    This creates a huge problem because logic dictates that only one of the writers could then have been guided by God .. unless one figures that God is the author of Pious Fraud.

    If you go to old Bibles .. OT - Septuagint (LXX) for example - Some passages are very different from what one finds in a modern translation..completely different imagery and language. Deut 32:43 is one example
     
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    No, actually the Bible proves there is no god and/or none of the writers were connected to any god and/or "guided by god's spirit."

    To prove there is no god, we need only look at Psalm 137:5 .

    This is one of many reasons why nothing in the King Joke Vision can be accepted as accurate.

    The translators erroneously translated the passage as:

    If I forget thee O Jerusalem let my right hand forget her cunning.

    That's a lie. That's not what the passage says, so why does the King Joke Vision lie like a liar?

    In the Masoretic text, Psalm 137:5 is rendered:

    If I forget you Jerusalem let my right hand forget.

    That's not making a lot of sense. That's because the writer got it wrong because there is no god. If the bible is inspired by god, then why can't the writers and translators figure it out?

    The correct translation is:

    If I forget you Ugarit let my right hand shrivel.


    Since the Hebrews copied that Psalm from the Ugarits and changed Ugarit to Jerusalem, it's pretty easy to figure out what happened.

    Semitic languages like Hebrew --which is the Ugaritic dialect of Aramaic without the case endings -- are consonantal and connotial. That means they don't use vowels. Instead they use consonants and the consonants form a root and from the root you derive the meaning in the context it is used.

    Hebrew had two roots, one being t-k-h meaning "shrivel" and one being sh-k-h meaning "forget." As often happens over time in languages there is a shift in pronunciation so that "t" becomes "sh" and that's what happened here.

    So, now, sh-k-h means both "forget" and "shrivel." The Hebrew intelligentsia know both meanings and use them in high culture among the cultured, the educated, the upper class and government administrators. But, during the Babylonian Captivity, the Hebrew intelligentsia is for all intents and practical purposes destroyed. There is no more Hebrew government administration. There is no more Hebrew education system. There is no more Hebrew high culture. There is no more Hebrew upper class. The high class culture devolves into low class culture and the meaning of sh-k-h as "shrivel" is forgotten (no pun intended).

    The unholy Hebrew men who were not inspired by any god-thing later copied and translated Psalm 137 incorrectly because they were not aware that sh-k-h could also mean "shrivel."

    The unholy men who were not inspired by any god-thing and wrote the King Joke Vision did not understand, either, and so translated incorrectly. Then the unholy men who were not inspired by any god-thing and wrote the King Joke Vision lied and started adding the phrase "her cunning."

    Then when two archeologists -- a French Atheist and an Israeli Reformed Jew -- found the Ugarit texts and correctly translated them, they realize it was translated incorrectly. The NSV does now translate it correctly, but that's because of what men did, not what any god-thing did.

    Speaking of Psalms, one particular psalm was incorrectly translated for 2,500 years because a word was improperly divided so that the passage was always rendered as "silver lips" instead of the correct "like silver."

    In another Psalm that was incorrectly translated for 2,500 years, the first letter of the first word of each line began with a letter of the Hebrew alphabet in sequence, except two letters and their corresponding verses were missing (one was the letter "n".)

    Again, we had to find the Ugaritic text from which the Hebrews plagiarized the Psalm in order to find the two missing lines of verse.
     
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    The smoke in Revelation is prayer.

    Prayers of the saints:

    And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
    And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.
    And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

    (Revelation 8:3-5)

    And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
    And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

    (Revelation 15:7,8 )

    Prayers of the wicked:

    And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
    And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

    (Revelation 9:1,2)

    And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
    And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
    By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

    (Revelation 9:16-18 )

    The prayers of the wicked are the opposite of the prayers of the saints. The wicked will pray for the restoration of this world, following the fallen star from heaven, the Antichrist.
     
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