F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. dave8383

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    Note all the knocks against the FBI in this thread. Russia loves that.
     
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    You can see how Trump is working with Russia by his arming their enemies in the Ukraine. By relaxing the ROE of our troops in Syria. By expelling 60 Russian Diplomats and Agents from America when they poisoned a British ex spy. By trying to undercut their oil sales to Europe. By criticizing European leaders who purchase Russian oil. By increasing spending for the protection of Europe. By increasing our own military spending. On the other hand, you can see how tough Obama was on Russia by how he cancelled the missile defense system in Poland to appease Russia. Or how he did nothing when Putin flew his military into Syria right under Obama's nose. Or how he didn't charge a single Russian after discovering that they hacked and meddled into our elections. He had Russia so scared of us that they took the Crimean Peninsula. And what about that hot mike incident where Obama promised to do more of what Russia wanted after his re-election was secured. That Obama is one baaaad mofo compared to Trump, eh? Yup, investigate Trump.
     
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    Neither Trump nor Putin would have been involved in that firefight until it was all over. Some Russian military contractors attempted to move upon an American special forces base. Hurried communications were made, The Russians assigned to de-escalation denied it was their people. Warnings were given and ignored. It all happened very quickly. They got slaughtered very rapidly before they got close enough to effectively shoot back. It is a standard response to a threat that does not require permission from the President.

    So, some Russian thugs got blown to bits by American artillery and air power. This is a good thing. Bad for Trump and his Russian lover, but obviously those two have gotten over it.
     
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    WHY was the pro Ukraine anti Russian rhetoric of the campaign suddenly changed at the inauguration????
     
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    Had the FBI not reacted they would have been failing in their duty. Trump's behavior towards Russia has been consistently strange and continues to be so. Same for his behavior towards other enemies of the USA.

    Mueller's investigation has been very fruitful. Many people charged, some convictions, cases referred to appropriate jurisdictions. Prison time and more to come. It has also been exceptional in preventing leaks. So far we are getting excellent value for our money.

    It is entirely possible that Trump himself has done nothing criminal here. There may not be anything impeachable, unless Congress looks at gross incompetence as a "high crime or misdemeanor". Which I doubt.

    So it's a wait and see. Eventually Mueller's final report will come out, the White House will attempt to suppress it and spin it. The political left will attempt to broadcast it widely, and also to spin it. In between those two forces will be all us citizens.

    I'm laying in a big supply of popcorn to watch this show unfold.
     
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    Wasn't that because Trump relaxed the rules of engagement?
     
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    It's the Democrats reaction to Russia after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War.

    Kinda strange why the Democrats would be butt hurt that the USA won the Cold War and the USSR was no more and Russia was no longer an adversary.

    So why would the Democrats want to restart the Cold War ???

    Exactly when did Russia become the enemy ?

    Are the Democrats going to do the same thing they did during the 1970's and 80's and surrender and refuse to fight the Cold War ?
     
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    Whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, Ukraine still bleeds from the conflict in the Donbass and the US, ostensibly, is supposed to be united with Ukrainians against the threat from Vladimir Putin. Putin calmly told his state media that he and Trump discussed how better to regulate the conflict in Ukraine. Putin wouldn’t reveal as much unless he was fairly confident that whatever was said would be beneficial to Russia in the long term. Because Trump wants to play nice. Unlike Americans, Ukrainians are used to blatant political betrayal, it’s what they’ve dealt with over and over again as a nation. This includes betrayals by their own obscenely and shamelessly corrupt political elite, besides the violence and deceit emanating from the Kremlin.

    Angela Merkel pushed back against Donald Trump’s extraordinary tirade against Germany on the first day of the Nato summit in Brussels, denying her country was “totally controlled” by Russia and saying it made its own independent decisions and policies. Angela Merkel made the point that she needed no lessons in dealing with authoritarian regimes, recalling she had been brought up in East Germany when it had been part of the Soviet Union’s sphere of influence.

    It took the U.S. FIVE FULL MONTHS after the poisoning of Skripal and his daughter to condemn Russia for this crime. Nearly two dozen countries had already condemned Russia for this poisoning. Trump absolutely did not want to do it. He relented under increased pressure from his Republicans in Congress. As a result, 60 Russians were expelled from the U.S.

    President Barack Obama got Iran under check with their nuclear program. The Iran deal was demolished by Trump, thus Iran now has free reign to create more of a mess and has already openly declared that they are increasing their uranium enrichment. Iran has stated it is continuing to acquire uranium and is close to finishing a plant where it can build more centrifuges to enrich uranium. This is all Trump's doing by crapping on a treaty that was working to keep Iran's nuclear capacity under control. Now they don't have to give a damn about being inspected and made to tow the line.
     
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    Yes, but mueller's only been on the job since mid may of 17.
     
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    Wasn't mueller. That was the FBI counter espionage division.
     
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    He keeps putting Mueller and his ilk down because they have made it so easy for him. The FBI has been caught red handed working with Russian intelligence to engineer a coup - the FBI is in crisis.

    "Many view Trump’s attacks as self-serving: he has called the renowned agency an “embarrassment to our country” and its investigations of his business and political dealings a “witch hunt.” But as much as the bureau’s roughly 14,000 special agents might like to tune out the news, internal and external reports have found lapses throughout the agency, and longtime observers, looking past the partisan haze, see a troubling picture: something really is wrong at the FBI."
    TIME MAGAZINE, The FBI Is in Crisis. It's Worse Than You Think, By ERIC LICHTBLAU, By ERIC LICHTBLAU 6:13 AM EDT, 5/14/18.
    http://time.com/5264153/the-fbi-is-in-crisis-and-america-is-paying-the-price/
     
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    What a bunch of bull. Anyone who thinks Putin isn't an adversary of the US is deaf, dumb, and blind.
     
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    Working with Russian intelligence to engineer a coup? Ha ha. A coup where?

    What's easy is seeing how far Mueller is above the Russian sympathizing Bone Spur in Chief.
     
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    Trump has been by far the most anti-Russia president since Reagan. Which is probably why so many on the "Left" who can still think objectively have tried to warn their TDS afflicted comrades that "conspiratorial mass hysteria" is not a good political strategy.

    “What if reality does turn out to be a massive connect-the-dots image of St. Basil's Cathedral sitting atop the White House? (This was suddenly legitimate British conspiracist Louise Mensch's construction in The New York Times last week.) What if all the Glenn Beck-style far-out charts with the circles and arrows somehow all make sense?

    This is one of the tricks that keeps every good conspiracy theory going. Nobody wants to be the one claiming the emperor has no clothes the day His Highness walks out naked. And this Russia thing has spun out of control into just such an exercise of conspiratorial mass hysteria.”
    ROLLING STONE, Putin Derangement Syndrome Arrives, Whatever the truth about Trump and Russia, the speculation surrounding it has become a dangerous case of mass hysteria, Matt Taibbi, 4/3/17. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-putin-derangement-syndrome-arrives-w474771
     
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    Do I really have to remind of this?




    Who do you think you're kidding? Reagan would have put a hit out on Trump.
     
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    STOP TRUTH DECAY!!Dump Trump!!
     
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    Liberals who are still pissed off that the Soviet Union lost the Cold War and neoconservatives (RINO's) claim that Russia is an adversary and want to refight the Cold War.

    But will the Democrats fund and pay for refighting the Cold War.

    With cold wars comes proxy wars where people get killed.
     
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    Silly denials of the obvious truth keep running into new FBI/CIA leaks about the details of their clandestine partnerships with Russian secret police/ spies and the DP to harm Trump and overthrow the elected government of the USA.

    "American spies are not the only ones who have dealt with Russians claiming to have secrets to sell. Cody Shearer, an American political operative with ties to the Democratic Party, has been crisscrossing Eastern Europe for more than six months to secure the purported kompromat from a different Russian, said people familiar with the efforts, speaking on the condition of anonymity to avoid damaging their relationship with him. Reached by phone late last year, Mr. Shearer would say only that his work was “a big deal — you know what it is, and you shouldn’t be asking about it.” He then hung up."
    NEW YORK TIMES, U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets, By Matthew Rosenberg, Feb. 9, 2018. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/us/politics/us-cyberweapons-russia-trump.html
     
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    LOL! How many Russian special operators did Reagan "put a hit on". ;-)

    "The death toll from the skirmish, already about five times more than Russia’s official losses in Syria, is still rising, according to one mercenary commander who said by phone that dozens of his wounded men are still being treated at military hospitals in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

    Most of those killed and injured were Russian and Ukrainian, many of them veterans of the separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine, according to Alexander Ionov, who runs a Kremlin-funded group that fosters ties to separatists and who’s personally fought alongside pro-government forces in Syria."
    BLOOMBERG, U.S. Strikes Killed Scores of Russia Fighters in Syria, Sources Say
    By Stepan Kravchenko , Henry Meyer , and Margaret Talev, February 13, 2018.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-to-kill-scores-of-russian-fighters-in-syria

    The Russia collusion them is just more silly nonsense easily refuted by the facts on the ground.
    Not good for the credibility of Trump's reality challenged opposition.
     
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    Tapes? Go watch Stormy tapes instead, no need to wait for these :mrgreen:
     
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    To whom was he supposed to publicly appeal, the Congo? He was simply stating for guffaws, what everyone was thinking.
     
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    The FBI has teamed up with Russia's secret police/spy agencies to take down Trump.

    "Like Fusion GPS, the FBI has failed to cooperate with congressional investigators seeking documents.

    Steele contracted with Fusion GPS to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia starting in June 2016, whereupon he outlandishly claimed that Hillary campaign hackers were “paid by both Trump’s team and the Kremlin” and that the operation was run out of Putin’s office. He also fed Fusion GPS and its Hillary-allied clients incredulous gossip about Trump hating the Obamas so much that he hired hookers to urinate on a bed they slept in at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton, and that Russian intelligence recorded the pee party in case they needed to blackmail Trump."
    NYP, Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators, By Paul Sperry, June 24, 2017.
    http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/

    The FBI works with Russian/MI6 spies - not with US Congressional investigators. Think about that, and all the FBI officials who have now been fired after an IG investigation. It may give you an idea about where this is heading.
     
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    Well of course, Merkel is going to push back. She has face to save and a deal with Russia. As for the timing of the expulsion of Russian Diplomats/agents, so what. Trump deferred to Congress and not as you suggest his Russian overlord. Not much of a traitor, is he? Perhaps his hesitancy was strategic or for lack of direct evidence, rather than a conflict of interest or loyalty as you suggest. As for Iran, Obama/Kerry gave them tons of cash, removed sanctions and gave them a legal, bonafide pathway to the bomb. Trump isn't the only American who sees it that way either. About the only thing Trump has done for Russia is speak well of them.
     
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