Face masks cannot stop healthy people getting Covid-19, says WHO

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    I personally don't care what the pro-Chinese terrorist has to say. Trump is right on withdrawing funds from these defunct organizations. They neither helped with the response, or gave the right information.
     
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    I'll listen to my country's experts they seem more adept.
     
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    More so than if you just sneezed away uncovered and if you pressed the mask against your face to insure it was not leaking peripherally even more.
     
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    It's not me you have to worry about.
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    JUST GUESSING

    The Lefties did not do that in Europe. Next week begins our National Healthcare System's 6th-week on lock-down. And we should be cresting then as well, if not sooner.

    Enjoy the ride, Righties - you got it all-wrong, all-wrong, all-wrong. And you-plural will be paying for Donald Dork's consummate incompetence in lives-wasted for the next five-weeks or so ...

    From here:National Center for Health Statistics

    So, for the moment, we are just guessing ...

    PS: But one fact is becoming very clear,
    Donald Dork got it all-wrong, all-wrong, all-wrong from the get-go. Yet again!
    PPS: And the nation should want to make him PotUS again? What next from the realm of Right-wing Fantasies? He's the pinnacle of professional incompetence.
     
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  6. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    You are correct that every country does it their won way. Look on Sweden, where nothing is sut down and life goes on as before ...

    Here in Germany comes another issue to count too, because we are like the US a Union of 16 states. Many things are not an issue of Berlin, but a local thing of the 16 states each. This is also given here in epedemic control where these 16 states are responsible and there is no real federal saying of Berlin government. A good example of this can be seen in the measures taken regarding Corona. In Bavaria, the measures are much stricter than in the 15 others ... and only the state government of Bavaria is in charge in Bavaria, not Berlin!
    Of course, the 16 governments of the federal states regularly coordinate with the federal government and coordinate the measures so that it is largely uniform.
    But federalism goes further than just the federal states. There is no general mask requirement, in none of the federal states. But some cities and towns / counties have arranged them at least in part through their mayors who have the right to order it ... for example, when you go shopping in the supermarket.

    And in this context, the explanation came about because of the masks, or just to have to wear a scarf in front of the face:
    It is NOT about protecting yourself from infection ... there are not enough masks to do this and they are needed in hospitals etc. No ... it's about not infecting others, because with such a mask or scarf in front of the face the range of the droplet infection is very small.
     
  7. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    METHINKS

    I disagree. I'm living in France.

    Were healthcare problems of the present magnitude to have no National Healthcare Service in France, then nothing would be done. The local subdivision of "states" all have their local challenges. The larger the population, the more different those challenges are in terms of execution-of-services. That is, a national-body (and its "budget") can get things done in a far more effective manner than those hospitals that find themselves in rural states.

    Moreover, for major-epidemics like this present one, we can see how the European-countries despite an initial lag were able to organize themselves to handle an illness for which there was (and will not likely be for some time) a direct-medicine.

    I am seeing that here in France. I live in the boonies (aka "thinly settled area") and because there is such a relatively lower population, the locals are all waiting for "Paris" to tell them what to do, how to do it, and from where will come the resources. So, "it is not as if the smaller the regional main hospital the better the service" in case of a major epidemic such as COVID-19*.

    This present context is one in which European nations have never found themselves before (except perhaps for the end of WW2). The regional hospitals need all the help they can get, because the most determinant factor of all national healthcare budgets is the Total Population Numbers.

    And as for the US, you-plural are finally going to understand the benefit of a National Healthcare Service. It is a shame that so many will have to die in order for the rest to appreciate its advantages.

    Methinks ...

    *Yes, indeed, thankfully, this epidemic does not happen every year. But, given SARS in China (2002/4) and a repeat this January, I wonder if such epidemics are not becoming "normal". Long after COVID-19 has come and gone, world nations will be talking about "the next one, and what do we do then?"
     
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    Well ... I don't understand why you disagree to be honest.
    Sure, you live in france, I live in Germany and our 2 countries take total different measures against COVID-19, as well are both totally other in structure. You are in France much more centralized and what French governemnt tells is law in complete France. In Germany not, because governemnt in Berlin has not the right to tell our 16 states what to do as measure!
    Other example ... all schools and universities are currently closed in Germany, but the decision to close or re-open them is a matter of the state and not of Berlin. If Saxony thinks to re-open them after Eastern, but Bavaria not, then Saxony will open them and Bavaria will let them closed ... and federal government in Berlin has nothing to say here!

    These are the differences between you = France and me = Germany!
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WHO IS W.H.O?

    It appears that you don't know how WHO works. (I do because I used to work there.)

    Imagine an organization that has no real "legal power" but manages a group of 195 nations that belong to it?

    It means (for your edification) that one advances slowly on all major decisions that are taken based upon a CONSENSUS.

    The information available regarding COVIC-19 was all in China, and China was not that helpful in responding to requests for information. Because, there was a major cover-up going on there in December, 1919. A young doctor in Wuhan had to die before the authorities (where he worked) believed his warnings as regards COVID-19! He was saying whilst dying in his hospital, "This is SARS-2002/4 all over again!" (Perhaps you don't know that SARS_2002/4 was a major epidemic that killed thousands in China (and elsewhere)15-years before? Some Yanks even died from it in the US!

    For that which regards COVIC-19, the Chinese local Wuhan-authorities initially tried to shut the doctor-up in December of last year because they were under orders from Peking to do so! (That young doctor - Lee Wenliang - then died of the disease in January; and has since become become a local hero.)

    The GREAT SHAME of it all is that there was historic precedence regarding the cause of the present plague that is upon us, and NOBODY WAS LISTENING. And most of all, in Washington, DC!

    Or, rather, those who were "responsible for knowing" in DC (in late January) were being told to "shut-up". After all, the WHO made a major announcement of the coming epidemic on 20 January, 2020! See that announcement here - excerpt:
     
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  10. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a major worldwide epidemic going on and nobody in Germany knows how to shut down the schools?

    Wow ... !
     
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    Sure ... again someone who believes the mental rubbish of Donald idiot Trump. Before believing such BS and spreading such crap as post, I recmmend you to read smething about the WHO first ... something what your beloved idiot in White House should do better many times before using Twitter or telling mental garbage in press conferences.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations based in Geneva. It was founded on April 7, 1948 and has 194 member states. The WHO is the United Nations' coordinating authority for international public health and is responsible for global health issues. Her mandate includes the definition of globally applicable norms and standards, the formulation of evidence-based health policy principles and the design of the research agenda for health.

    According to the constitution of the World Health Organization, its goal is to achieve the best possible level of health for all people. Its main task is to fight diseases and promote the general health of all people worldwide.

    WHO supports its member states in the professional implementation of health programs, monitors and evaluates health trends, promotes medical research and provides emergency aid in the event of disasters.

    A central task of the WHO is to develop guidelines, standards and methods in health-related areas, to standardize them and to implement them worldwide. Important fields of action are involved

    the worldwide coordination of national and international activities in the fight against communicable diseases such as AIDS, malaria, SARS and flu,

    initiating global vaccination programs and programs against health risk factors such as smoking or obesity,

    the regular collection and analysis of worldwide health and disease data,

    support in building the most effective and cost-effective health systems in third world countries.

    The WHO has achieved the greatest success in combating infectious diseases.

    In the 1960s and 1970s, smallpox was eradicated worldwide, a few years ago polio (polio) was eliminated across Europe.

    Worldwide vaccination programs can prevent the death or disability of several million children each year.

    The WHO is headquartered in Geneva and is divided into 6 regions, each of which is controlled by a regional office. In addition, it has more than 140 country offices and employs over 7,000 people. The two-year budget currently provides for almost $ 4 billion. WHO is controlled by the World Health Assembly (WHA), the highest decision-making body consisting of all 194 member states. Between the annual meetings of the WHA, the executive board, composed of 34 government representatives, is responsible for steering the WHO.
     
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    Ehm ... they are shut down since 3 weeks now ... all of them! You miss-understood my words, please read again.

    The difference is, that at you in France the French government in Paris decide about, right?
    At us the 16 governments of the 16 federal states by their own and NOT the German government in Berlin. Got it?

    And before you blame here against Germany: We do a great job ... but look for example to Sweden. There is nothing shut down and closed and life goes on as there is no COVID-19 existing! Blame them please...
     
  13. LafayetteBis

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    IONIZER MACHINE?

    Oh, dammit! I no sooner posted the last bit when - upon leaving my desk - I spotted a machine that I use to prop-up my 4G-antenna.

    I could not remember what it was for! Checking it out, I now see that it is an old ion-generator that I have not used for a donkey's age. I checked out its usage (on the Net) and have noted that high-ion-in-the-air-content REPUTEDLY kills the corona-virus.

    So, you might want to do an "ion-air purifier" search on the Net ... ?
     
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    It's not an act.
     
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    I don't listen to anything the WHO says. It doesn't mean everything they say is wrong, just not trust worthy.
     
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    Herd immunity works, too. With no intervention, remediation, or medicine of any kind the herd tends to get a lot stronger and a lot smaller.:)
     
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    But, but, but, but international organizations must automatically be accepted just because they're international. :)
     
  18. LafayetteBis

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    DORKISM

    As "Dorkism" goes, this one deserves the prize. It's Donald Dork who has screwed up every major effort in his administration because he is functionally incompetent.

    Name one major achievement of his administration. Just one ...

    According to Donald Dork, here they are: Trump Administration Major Accomplishments

    Just because he sat behind a desk in the Offal-Office, HE created jobs!

    The economic history of the US, 2009 to 2013:
    -The economy began its Recession in 2007. It was finally fixed after Obama spent ARRA-money to kick-start it in 2009 when unemployment had reached 10%!
    -Then in 2010 when the Replicants took the HofR, they refused all further spending seeking to sink Obama's reelection and,
    *Lo&behold, no further jobs were created!. See this historical chart of the Employment-to-population Ratio (maintained by the Bureau of Labor Statistics) here! No Net New Jobs were created in the US from 11/2009 to 11/2013 - four full years in which the Replicants owned the HofR where all spending-budgets initiate!
    *Because Replicants would not vote the necessary economic stimulus-funding! Why? Because they wanted to sink Obama's reelection in 2011 with high-unemployment!

    So American families had to suffer the four year long-wait for the economy to recuperate - and it WAS NOT THE DORK who fixed the American Economy, but Obama ... !
     
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    Well maybe he will in his next 4 year term :)
     
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    The modern French, always telling others how to run their countries as they lose their own. French society is such a important part of the heritage and history of the western world, sad to see what they are becoming. I hope they wake up and save themselves.
     
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    Because your jerk of President in White House tells this? Really?
     
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    Yea I guess a false sense of security is far better than none at all, right?

    Let me ask you this. When a surgeon wears a mask, is he protecting himself from getting something from you or from HIM accidentally spitting into your open wound during the operation?
     
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    Death rates are presented to the press in a variety of forms. And the press, it seems, has not understood how to interpret their differences.

    There is no definitive answer regarding which of the three major rates is most or least indicative.

    But every body has the right to read the WHO article on the matter, which is revealing but not definitive: Our World in Data - Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) – Statistics and Research - note that this article is updated daily.
     
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    PS: Any one know how to put Donald Dork on quarantine? The WHO would like to know ..
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nationalist Gibberish! You are blind to the facts and how these organizations function.

    Definitions:
    The desire for power is almost animalistic. Even animals fight to defend what they think is their "food supply". In humans it has gone a bit further, but what prevailed up until the end of the 19th century was the desire to accumulate riches.

    That notion came under serious scrutiny in the 20th and 21st centuries. In many countries it is still to be decided because its prime manifestation is how the bounty of a Market Economy is shared. Meaning, of course, Income Taxation.

    And why should it be shared? Because the means of generating that "bounty" is also mutual and not singular in nature* ...

    *Which is how the European notion of Societal Democracy evolved.
     
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