Facebook does what Trump won't do.

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    Now that even the Trump Administration has been shamed into admitting that the Russians hacked social media, you would expect that the US government would do something about it.

    Instead, beyond some reluctant rhetoric, the Trump Administration has done nothing.

    And the GOP blocked legislation to renew election security funding, 100 days in front of the election.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...6e88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term=.cdfd5cba1c1d

    Facebook, after having taken a real bath in the financial markets, is now struggling to rebuild their brand.

    It is a sad commentary on our government that the most effective effort to block Russian the Russian cyber war against the United States rests on a private company's efforts to protect their own business.

    This is a serious national security issue.

    Too bad the Trump Administration and the GOP leadership are not interested in it.
     
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    Why would trump do anything about it when Putin put him in the White House and has him on a tight leash?
     
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    Oh here we go again....teh Rushunz....man, these Russian hackers are the best. They even beat Facebook at cyber security.
     
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    "Republicans dismissed the Democrats’ effort as theatrics, contending that Congress had fully funded states’ election security needs over the years and that states still have plenty of grant money left to spend from a $380 million allocation for 2018."
     
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    Facebook didn't bother with cyber security. They just took the money. Which is how the Russians were able to use their platforms so successfully.
     
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    Throwaway comments.

    The fact is that the GOP blocked it, in the face of headlines that screamed about the continuing vulnerability. The Freedom Causus ,was it's usual virulent, dismissing the idea that Russians might hack US elections (they already have) and suggesting that the solutions is the usual voter ID bromide.

    This is a serious national security issue, and it is not going to go away, no matter how much the talk radio right and Trumpsters try and wish it away.
     
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    So successfully to do what? Even Obama said it is impossible to hack our election process.
     
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    Struggling to figure out the point of your post,
    Do you think votes were changed from Hillary to Trump because of a Facebook post? Which by the way is an admission democrats can't think for themselves.
    Exactly what do you expect the government do to keep the "Russians" off Facebook?
    The only clear solution I can see is block democrats from using Facebook and force them to watch CNN all day.

    You do realize none of this would be an issue if Al Gore had not invented the internet. Throw some of your rage in his direction for it is he who caused the problem in the first place.
     
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    Yes, it was very successful. FB estimated it reached 130 million people during the 2016 election.

    Folks like you pushed their message throughout social media and on platforms like this one, which was full of Russian generated fake news pumped by Trumpsters in the fall of 2016.

    You're playing games now. You know all of this is true.

    Useful idiots, that's what the Russians view the entire Trump phenomena as.
     
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    They blocked what they believed to be funding beyond the states needs. The democrats were more interested in the theatrics than actual results. The fact that the democrats went into this chant "USA","USA" confirms it.
     
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    The Russians spent only a small fraction of what Hilary did on the election and yet they were able to swing the election to Trump.. She blew three quarters of a billion dollars and she couldn't win Wisconsin. That does not say much for Hilary's management ability.
     
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    Sure and how many people were reached by the Dems and Republicans doing similar add buys and far more of them on far more media? Russians about spent ten percent of what either the Rep or Dem campaigns spent and a good chunk of that was post election but you thing somehow they were more effective? The notion is imbecilic at best.
     
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    I know right...

    The odds of actually seeing a legitimate Russian ad back in the day are about the same as getting struck by lightning
     
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    THE Biggest problem today is the Press or Mainstream media.
    They truly are The enemy of We the People.There's no questioning that.
    Facebook,Twitter and Google are the enablers of Big Brother Government.
    That is why americans are abandoning Facebook and reconsidereing
    Twitter and Google.Because they are corrupt enablers of a Deep State
    and those who Live for crap like Global Warming and BlackLivesMatter
    and name your poison.How about not Standing for the National Anthem.
    Or buying into the unheard of un-American notion that we should
    allow Illegals and never build a wall.Or calling everyone who disagrees
    with you names like Racist,Nazi or Fascist.
    That IS how Racist and Nazis and Fascists talk,think and act.
    It's the flipping of America.An Obama device.Con the public with
    Doublespeak,Groupthink and anyone that doesn't cotton those
    device is yelled down and called vile names.
    I'm not sure what Rules for Radicals that entails ... but that's the
    effect of Saul Alinsky device.Which is what Frank Nitti employed
    in Chicago as Al Capone's enforcer.Intimidation and targeting and
    framing and grafting cops and politicians.It's what the TV series :
    - The Untouchables - { late 50's } highlighted.
     
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    I would say you have that a bit backwards, The "useful idiots" you speak of appear to be the democrats that changed their vote from Hillary to Trump because someone on Facebook told them to do so.
    Tell your democrat friends to stay off twitter and Facebook and you have solved your own non existent problem.
     
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    Fake news was a Russian creation.

    All through the late summer and fall of 2016, Russians operatives set up fake blogs, and websites designed to look like legitimate news sources and used them to circulate Russian propaganda.

    Trumn supporters on this forum parroted them regularly and posted links to fake news sites almost daily.

    There is NO evidence that any Democratic operative ever fraudulently set up a fake site designed to look like Breitbart or Fox in order to promote their agenda, by deceiving the target audience into circulating it on social media.

    The useful idiots were the Limbaugh/Fox/talk radio audience, which was already conditioned to buy the divisive message.

    To your last point, I suspect that the other groups shaking in their boots are the social media sites and the advertising agencies.

    If the Russians reached this many people with so modest an actual buy (and they did), companies everywhere are probably wondering why they spend so much on internet advertising.

    Of course, their purpose isn't fraudulent.
     
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    Really?

    You make that obviously false claim in the face of the fact that 130 million out of the 161 million people who voted were reached.

    We know you were. Because Russian propaganda, overt and covert, was promted loudly by Trump supporters right here on this forum.
     
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    The useful idiots are the delivery mechanism. The Trumpster here and elsewhere that were the megaphones for the Russian message.

    The Russians knew the far right wing was receptive. They had flooded social media with articles from RT and Sputnik that right wingers eagerly shared throughout 2014 and 2015. We say that here on this forum. Indeed, we still see it.
     
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    Yes, one was interested in addressing the crisis. The other was busy making excuses for continuing to look the other way ,and let the Russian efforts continue.

    The Trump Administration has done NOTHING about this. (Although Trump has lied openly about that in public).
     
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    Really? How many votes were changed or tampered with thru Facebook?
     
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    The democrats put on a show. Nothing more.
     
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    And for the most part they were routinely ignored.
     
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    every person in the country was also reached by dozens if not hundreds of Republican and Democratic ads during the same time period. The notion that a relative hand full of Russian adds trumped literally 10 times there number of other advocacy ads is ridiculous.
     
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    There was NO Russian Collusion.It was entirely doctrinaired by the
    Democrats in an effort to ward off the eventual knowledge that it was
    Hillary { she and her DNC paid for the infamous Steel dossier }
    in an effort to smear Trump as candidate.With the helping hand of
    Obama and his Deep State they manufactured this ludicrous narrative
    that Russians Influenced our Election.The Dems persist in this because
    the day is closing in when Hillary and Obama are unmasked as the Real
    Colluders in Subverting a General Election.
    Didn't Rod " the Hack " Rosenstein make a public statement
    confirming that not a single vote in 2016 was due to Russian
    hacking into our Elections.So this Russian Hacking is also a
    manifest lie.
    You can't just negate all the Lies that are stacking up weekly and
    daily by The Democrats and Obama's minions in his Deep State.
    They've been found out.
    You can Un found out.So stop persisting.
     
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    We don't have any way of knowing that for sure.

    But since the Russian campaign reached 130 million people, and Trump only won by 78,000 votes, it's not hard to do the math on the hit rate for their campaign.

    Quite a lot of bang for the ruble!

    Of course, there was no way to know that his kind of outcome might occur, as the Trump victory was almost a statistical fluke. Neither Trump, nor the Russians really expected it to work.

    Trump was on an ego trip. And the Russians were all about sowing discord and division, a role for which Trump is ideally suited (all over the world for that matter).

    The point, of course, is that the Russian mounted a cyber war against the US, and the man who benefitted the most from it plays stooge to Putin, and refused to even acknowledge the Russian role for nearly two years. And still refuses to do anything about it.

    Meanwhile his fan base, the very useful idiots that the Russians used to megaphone their message through social media, remain ready and waiting for the next campaign.
     
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