Discussion in 'Music, TV, Movies & other Media' started by Space_Time, Oct 30, 2018.
Is this appropriate? Does this infringe upon free speech? Will they go to another platform?
No. Yes; corporate keepers of the New Public Square must respect free speech. Yes.
The Proud Boys are revolting scum, but revolting scum have free speech rights too.
Oooooooooooooh . . . bad news for violence inclined hate-based and Soros bankrolled ANTIFA. Oh wait they are leftists. Never mind.
Eventually these leftist loyal communications/social media giants are going to come under the scrutiny of either the Legislative Branch or the Judicial Branch for blatant political bias. They will whine, cry, and complain when it happens; even though they will have done it to themselves by relentlessly playing political favorites.
1. I don't know.
Facebook can ban anyone they want.
But Facebook is being very wise in not allowing itself be part of these murderers and terrorists from being part of these evils.
Terrorists like the Proud Boys have no compunction and appear to be in fact enjoy their work in attacking America with American blood.
Why is such a scum allowed to claim the right to Freedom of Speech at all if it gives the Constitution a crap with its ideology?
But hate-based and violent and Soros bankrolled and leftist media protected ANTIFA is just fine? Sweet!
Democrat run and paid violent groups go by a different set of rules . Always like that.
Facebook must be hiring illegal aliens to run the place now. I guess making billions isn’t enough so they need to hire low wage IT folks from India.
I think you are right.
Lost in the story is that it was Antifa who attacked the PB folks after they left the Club. Arrested on the night in question were 3 members of Antifa. No PB people were arrested until the following days, when videos and other evidence was reviewed by the police.
Facebook is a terrible operation that has veered from it's original innocent beginnings, and the media continues to show to the public what a propaganda laced worthless source they are.
Actually as I understand it, the big problem with facebook is that radical leftists infest its middle management and lower levels and so they sort of dictate to the upper level what facebook itself is or is not going to do; and for a variety of reasons the upper management of facebook doesn't dare try to control them. Still, no guts no glory; and by refusing to grow a spine the upper management of facebook is cruising for a long term political bruising that will eventually damage their bottom line profits.
Yes. No. For Sure.
Free speech does not grant you a venue; your right to free speech doesn’t grant you the right to violate another’s property rights.
Only government, with its monopoly on coercive power, can violate an individual’s free speech rights.
Ayn Rand: “Freedom of speech means freedom from interference, suppression or punitive action by the government—and nothing else. It does not mean the right to demand the financial support or the material means to express your views at the expense of other men who may not wish to support you. Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to agree, not to listen and not to support one’s own antagonists. A “right” does not include the material implementation of that right by other men; it includes only the freedom to earn that implementation by one’s own effort. Private citizens cannot use physical force or coercion; they cannot censor or suppress anyone’s views or publications. Only the government can do so. And censorship is a concept that pertains only to governmental action.”
“The Fascist New Frontier,”
The Ayn Rand Column, 106
The Right kills by the dozens, year in and year out.
The Left is no comparison in slaughter.
I don't think Zuckerberg wanders much outside his Progressive point of view. Add in what you've pointed out, and FB is little more than an increasingly selective propaganda ministry that filters content to fit an agenda.
Their is no right to free speech on a private platform
Facebook is a private company. They are entitled to do as they please with their platform.
I don't want to hear "But conservatives can't find a platform of their own because XYZ"
Nonsense. You guys just want these lunatics to have access to FB to try and sway the masses, because you know your platform is not the one the majority support.
The response of the Proud Boys has been pretty good - far better than that of ANTIFA whenever their goons do something like this.
Stomping people on the ground is unacceptable. Like eye gouging. You just don't do it except in the most extreme of cases.
In fact, left and left-leaning groups have been banned and blocked in large numbers.
The goal is to crush speech into as narrow and corporate-friendly a place as possible.
The idea that the right is being exclusively targeted is a farcical and dangerous falsehood.
The US Constitution holds free speech - including ugly speech - as a very crucial right; not so much in other countries.
The margins are under attack.
The Keepers of the New Public Square, in bed with government in various ways, have an obligation to uphold free speech
Free speech is free speech. It doesn't matter what the subject matter is. You are either for free speech or you support censorship.
The margins are under attack both left and right.
Here are some of the major recent bans of leftist voices:
Separate names with a comma.