Fake Liberalism Vs. Actual Strength

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    When I was in San Francisco, I sometimes talked to people there about experiences of women in the American South with domestic violence. Their typical response was that these women were weak.

    To such people: It is no wonder that you have a reputation for coldness and arrogance.

    I ask this. Where would a woman in such a place get the strength to get away from domestic violence? Everyone is telling her that she has to put up and shut up. Everyone is telling her that she is a piece of crap. Everyone is telling her that if she does not do this she will go to hell, or betray her community, or uproot her children. So where would a woman get the strength to fight such a thing?

    The San Franciscans aren't known for being strong. The people I've known there were nowhere close to being the strongest people I've known. Many of them were the weakest. That however has not prevented these people from fancying themselves to be the only strong people in the world.

    So sometimes people tell me such things as that I have something against strong women. No I do not. My grandmother was a very strong woman. She was a Jewish woman who lived through the Second World War while living under Stalin. She however did not have a bad attitude. She acted in a humble and reserved manner while being genuinely strong.

    So we see some women with feminist associations claiming that they are strong and that other women aren't. This is completely wrong. I would like to see such a woman go up in an argument against an older Russian woman. She would show them who is strong and who is not.

    So now we are seeing a sizable influx of Russian women into America, and I applaud it. These women are actually strong, as well as smart and beautiful. They stand to refute by counterexample many wrongful claims that we see from American feminists. And they stand to influence American society for the better.

    They will also bring with themselves great cultural output. They will bring real poetry, real literature, circus and ballet. And on these matters as well as some others, Russians have much to teach Americans.

    But probably the most important benefit from this will be re-affirming the family. A former Reagan administration official once told me that on this matter the Russians have much to teach Americans. They don't have much to teach America about politics or economics. But on these matters they stand to be a very positive influence.

    As for the folks in places such as San Francisco, they will be confronted with people who are genuinely strong. This will tear apart their delusion that they are strong and that nobody else is. And then maybe these people would be likely to be more compassionate to the kind of women I've talked about earlier.


    When that is done, they will have earned the right to call themselves liberals for real.
     
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    You say that your grandmother was humble and was reserved and you attribute that to being strong. But we don’t brag about a man being humble and reserved. Look at the president you respect ...real humble and real reserved LOL
     
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    Interesting argument. I respect Donald Trump because he built a huge business empire and commissioned some of America's most beautiful buildings. His personality is not the best, but then again neither is that of Hillary Clinton. However I also know men who are genuinely strong and humble and reserved, and I respect them as well. This is something that they teach in martial arts. That is something that many people would benefit from learning. I especially recommend it to women who have been victims of sexual violence. Apparently the problem there is that they feel like their body has been taken away from them. Martial arts builds a relationship with the body of self-mastery, and a woman who has been raped stands to regain control of her body by taking martial arts.
     
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    Donald Trump inherited a huge business empire. Do you also respect a man who wouldn’t let black people live in his buildings? Do you also respect a man who stiffed so many of his workers? Do you think he such a great businessman that he had to declare bankruptcy several times
    I respect A man like my husband a lot more My husband was dirt poor and had to drop out of school and he worked himself up to become a vice President at one of the biggest brokerage houses and retired in his 40s.
    What is wrong with Hillary’s personality? People complained they didn’t like her voice....wow
    Can you call her a narcissist? Was she so vain?
    Can you call her a vicious bully? Can you call her mentally ill? This is the woman who got into the best college based on merit not her family money
     
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    There are certainly things to respect about Hillary Clinton. In this election I could not make up my mind. Trump is a throw-back to 1980s and Hillary is a throw-back to 1990s. Both decades had things right with them and things wrong with them. As for Trump being mentally ill, I have a lot to say on this matter. If it is narcissistic to seek great success or to have original ideas, then the world owes vastly to its narcissists. I do not like to see people getting demonized, especially for things that aren't even their fault. This appears to be a major liberal value that feminism has forgotten. Many in feminism go on about "narcissists" and "sociopaths" without realizing two major things. One, as I have stated, that according to the definition of the narcissistic disorder the world owes vastly to its narcissists. And the other is that people claim "sociopaths" to be evil and only capable of doing evil whatever they do, which is a completely irrational standpoint, as anything capable of choice is capable of rightful choice. This has created what has amounted to fascism, and fascism has no business existing in countries that claim to be free.

    Not everything that Trump does is right. However he does not deserve being demonized. Even "sociopaths" are capable of righteous behavior; and psychology needs to understand such things.
     
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    No it is not narcissistic to seek great success. How many presidents have said “I know more than the generals”, “I know more than most people” I have a great mind” “No one is better than me with words” a narcissist lacks empathy. Mocking a disabled man, mocking the mother of a dead veteran etc. is not a healthy human being
    Trump is one of the most evil and dangerous man to ever hold the office. Obviously he has fooled you but thank goodness most of the country is aware that it is only his cult that will follow him and he has their number. He feeds them raw meet.
     

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