Fake News on CDC website?

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  1. clennan

    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
    • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 520 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 10, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 11,225 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.

      A review of reports indicates a causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and TTS. CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of TTS cases and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:
      • US Case Reports of Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis With Thrombocytopenia After Ad26.COV2.S Vaccination, March 2 to April 21, 2021external icon
      • Case Series of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination—United States, December 2020–August 2021external icon
      • Updates on Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) pdf icon[1.3 MB, 39 Pages]

      Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

    Oh, you mean like Australia, which you mentioned earlier?

    They've had 740 reports of death and identified 11 as having a causal link to vaccines = 0.000052% of people who've had at least one vaccination dose.

    https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-13-01-2022
     
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    "Continued monitoring" clearly means something else- as in during the time period after the study period - 9 total deaths is ridiculous.

    Over in Korea -- where they are not afraid to report deaths .. its 1 in 25,000 had 153 deaths after Jabbing 7% of the population of ~ 50 million .. exact figures are in the article -- .. https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.co...s/Pfizer-Vaccine-Death/20210524193400386.html

    but this is normal and coincides well with US data - 11,000 deaths = 1 in 21,000
    and in numerous other places .. and in fact with Pfizer's own study.

    Fact check: Clarifying claims around Pfizer vaccine deaths and side effects

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns-idUSKBN28K2R6
    And surprise surprise .. 2 died .. 44,000 jabbed - 1 in 22,000 .. From the horses own study.

    but death is not everything mate -- some nasty other issues from the Jab
    Israeli Data Favor Higher Estimates of Post-Vax Myocarditis
    — Results echo the controversial VAERS study from September
    • Overall population: 2.13 cases per 100,000 persons
    • Men and boys: 4.12 per 100,000
    • Women and girls: 0.23 per 100,000
    • Young people ages 16 to 29: 5.49 per 100,000
    • Men and boys ages 16 to 29: 10.69 per 100,000
    • Individuals age 30 or older: 1.13 per 100,000
    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/94892

    From our good friends in Israel .. who have excellent data .. but .. mirrored the Vaers data

    Men and boys 16 to 29 10.69 per 100,000 1 in 10,000 - You want to risk this life long disability on your kid .. who has already had covid and survived quite well - over a risk of death from Omicron that is lucky to be 1 in a million.

    Just on that basis .. never mind the 1 in 20,000 Dead .. and the chance of having an Adverse event -- some less serious .. some just as serious .. is about 1 in 1,000 ..
     
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    "Ridiculous"? No. Just not in accordance with your narrative.

    S.Korea had 153 death reports out of 3,945,466 = 0.0039%. And, this is the crude rate - just reports, not verified as causally linked to vaccines.
    By Oct 2021, there were 835 reports out of 41,219,912 = 0.0020% crude rate.
    For comparison, the US crude rate is 0.0022%; Australian 0.0035%, UK 0.0044%.

    Hmmm. Doesn't look to me like there's anything out of whack in the US.

    So moving on from reports, how about deaths found to be caused by vaccines?

    S.Korea = 2 = 0.0000048%
    US = 9 = 0.0000036%
    Aus = 11 = 0.000052%

    Hmmm. Again, US is pretty much in line.

    11,225 deaths in the US is the number of reports - not the number of deaths caused by vaccines.

    And yes, CDC/FDA are aware of myocarditis and pericarditis - that's why they investigate all reports.

    The Pfizer death claim was debunked over a year ago. Two of the six deaths were vaccinated, the rest were not, AND for the two who were, their deaths were not due to the vaccine. Your own article explains this LOL.
     
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    The above is laughable nonsense as demonstrated in previous post ..
    The article explains that folks claiming 6 deaths was inaccurate .. correcting using 2 deaths .. which is the number I used. Nice try though .. albeit "laughable"

    What part of the Pfizer study 2 deaths out of 44,000 did you manage to forget = 1 in 22,000

    Which is in keeping with the US data- and Korea data.

    Yup .. South Korea = 0.0039% dead = 1 in 25,000 dead from the fax .. just like I told you previousy

    and the "crude" rate is way low by many estimates...
    Columbia University Study Finds VAERS Deaths Undercounted By Factor Of 20
    https://www.christianitydaily.com/a...vaers-deaths-undercounted-by-factor-of-20.htm

    But we didn't factor any of that in .. just used the raw numbers .. "Dead after vax" knowing they are really low.

    How about a more controlled study - ..

    Covid-19: Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is “likely” responsible for deaths of some elderly patients, Norwegian review finds
    https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1372

    The study was of 30,000 people in old folks homes... Just using 10 "Likely" is 1 in 3000 .. dead due to Jab. If we look at likely and Possible .. it is more like 1 in 1000 .. and if we add in a few from the "Unlikely" and the 5 "we don't have a clue" .. Nasty.

    but just using the low figure 1 in 3000 is huge.
     
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    Again - The two deaths in the Pfizer study were NOT caused by the vaccine, as your own article explains!

    Again - The total deaths reported in VAERS and various countries' equivalents are crude rates because they are only reports. They are NOT totals of deaths caused by the vaccine. As I explained, doctors are required to report deaths, even if they are 100% certain vaccines had nothing to with the deaths. They are then investigated. Investigation has resulted in the figures of deaths which ARE caused by the vaccine, which I have given you. It doesn't matter if you think they're nonsense or not. They are determined by the adverse event investigators.
     
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    Sure they were .. one died of a vaccine induced stroke .the other . vax induced anaphalaxis - in keeping with the average death rate found Korea and other locations..

    Desperate you were to avoid this one just ignore anything that doesn't fit... Covid-19: Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is “likely” responsible for deaths of some elderly patients, Norwegian review finds
    https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1372

    but just using the low figure 1 in 3000 is huge

    Then there are the serious side effects you are desperate to ignore ..myocharditis 1 in 10,000 for males 16-29 .. No way we should be vaxing healthy males in this age group .. That is a way higher risk of harm than the risk of harm from Omicron .. ridiculously so

    individuals https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/94892
     
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    That post wasn't directed you.
     
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    OK
     
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    Wrong and wrong! This is what it says in YOUR article. Didn't you read it?!

    "One of the vaccine recipients had a cardiac arrest 62 days after a second dose of the two-dose vaccination and died three days later. The other died from arteriosclerosis three days after a first dose of the vaccination. One of the placebo recipients died from myocardial infarction, another from haemorrhagic stroke and two others from unknown causes.

    The FDA briefings clarify that the deaths were not deemed to be related to the vaccine: “None of these deaths were assessed by the investigator as related to study intervention”. They explain: “All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups where they occurred, at a similar rate.”

    You should be too - it's garbage. That's why they have to say things like this:

    “It is therefore practically impossible to determine with any certainty how much of a role the vaccine played in the deaths.”

    “Our findings cannot…be used to estimate the incidence of vaccine-related deaths.”

    “Such an assessment requires nuanced and detailed clinical information, which in many cases was not available. The estimates are therefore uncertain.”

    "The extremely high mortality rate in nursing homes means that random factors will lead to a certain number of deaths shortly after vaccination anyway. It cannot be ruled out that some of the deaths that were classified as probable are in fact due to such random factors"
    LOL I haven't ignored myocarditis at all. As I said, the CDC isn't either, hence it is a "selected adverse event" with 1,123 verified cases to date. Definitely a concern for young men.
     
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    What part of .. the claim that it was not related to the vax is bogus are you having trouble understanding ? and as you can see from a proper assessment ... there is no such thing as YES/NO .. goes from "Likely to Unlikely" and some "We have no clue"

    then you completely ignore the 1 in 3000 in nursing homes ..except to complain about how the nursing homes have a higher death rate .. which is true .. but doesn't change the fact that and that was not including the probable , We don't know.

    So out of 30,000 people - and this was just the first hundred that died post vax .. 10 Likely 27 Probable = 37 vax deaths .. our of 30,000 old folks.

    You claim a total of 9 deaths .. throughout the entire vaccination period - over the entire population of vaxed US... What mate .. do we not have people in old folks homes in the US ? Your 9 dead claim is complete nonsense .. likely refers to deaths counted after the study period.. cause it sure as heck doesn't refer to total deaths from Vax

    Where is the "Likely" "probable" "Unlikely" ranking for the 11,000 ? .. thats because they are all in the "Likely" category .... and worst nonsense case "But we only confirmed 9 of them" .. doesn't change the fact that 11,000 "Likely" and the number is way low to begin with . many researchers and doctors - healthcare providers --- and even Fauci and the CDC - saying it is a discombobulated sht show.

    No getting around the Norway Study .. best in class . .. as is the data from countless other studies.
     
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    You think that lockdowns work?
     
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    Depends on what is meant by "work". You can stop transmission with a full lockdown .. but .. when you open up again .. the virus is comming back..
     
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    Can you account for that difference?

    Because the unvaxxed are not demonised in the US?

    How can we know who has been infected unless everyone gets an antibody test?

    As in antibody testing?
     
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    ?? .. vaxed are demonized in the US bigtime.

    Australia managed to avoid the Delta and previous waves via hard lockdown -- Omicron is much less lethal.

    You don't need to test everyone in a population .. just a sample .. and that gives you good idea.
     
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    You made it sound like the unvaxxed are demonised in Australia more so.
     
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    Mistake there .. "Unvaxed are demonized" Not sure about AUS .. other than booting out Djokovich .. :)
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Because I said that you are out of arguments, that makes me a bigot?
     
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    You made it sound like the unvaxxed are demonised in Australia more so.
     
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    You didn't say that, but you pointed me at that put down pic of Maddow. You don't like her.
     
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    I sense .. some Oversensitivity yes .. thats it :)
     
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    Are you saying that the fact-checking article stating that the claim that 2 died from the vaccine is bogus is itself bogus? If so, you're wrong. The fcat-check is correct: the two deaths were not caused
    Are you saying that the fact-checking article that says the claim that 2 died from the vaccine is bogus is itself bogus? If so, you're wrong. The fact-check is correct: the two deaths were not caused by the vaccine.
    First, it's not 27 "probable" in the Norwegian study. It's 26 "possible". The classifications used are WHO classifications. “Possible” means maybe/maybe not - something else might be responsible for the death.

    Second, it's not me pointing out that nursing home residents have a high death rate anyway. It's the study's own authors - just one of the many caveats they themselves apply to their own conclusions. In particular, this, which pretty much sums it up:

    "Our findings cannot therefore be used to estimate the incidence of vaccine-related deaths."​

    Yet here you are, doing just that.

    As for the US, the 9 dead isn’t my claim, and it isn’t total deaths, and it isn't the finding of a "study". It's the finding of ongoing investigation by the FDA/CDC of all death reports - the current number of deaths verified as caused by the vaccine.

    To say that the other 11,216 are all in the ‘likely” category is pure conjecture at best, conspiracy theory at worst. Again, a report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine had anything to do with the death, and that’s not even in keeping with the Norway study (taken at face value) - by a long shot!

    Bottom line is, you dismiss the death rates even though they’re pretty much in line with other countries, because you just think they’re wrong. They don’t match what you think is reality.
     
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    In Australia?
     
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    And that makes me a bigot how exactly?
     

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