Fallacies of Evolution Redux

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    "my" speculations are as good as anyone else's, eh? These are not "my speculations", nor are all speculations equal. Some both arise from and then are supported by all of the evidence.

    And some do and are not. Let's see if we can see the difference:

    1) this species was an ancestor of modern canids, and itself evolved from earlier species that were its ancestors, supported by fossil evidence, geology, physiology, and genetic evidence


    Or

    2) gods poofed them into and out of existence....evidence not required
     
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    I answered and you did not like the answer:
    I said many times that I have only one belief in God in difference from you who has a myriad of different beliefs.
    Science discusses only observed phenomena, events, happenings.
    Your speculations are as good as anybody's else, I only point that neither your speculations nor anybody else's speculations have any place in natural sciences.
    How many guesses are in you post?

    I am not interested in speculations, guesses and fantasies for whatever is not deduced from the phenomena must be called a hypothesis; and hypotheses, whether metaphysical or physical, or based on occult qualities, or mechanical, have no place in in natural sciences.

    It is my sig.
     
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    First you cite someone who points out that speciation HAS been witnessed.

    Then, you claim that evidence of evolution is delusional!!

    You need to get your story in order. It's hard to know what the heck is up with you.
     
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    1. Please tell who, when and where made such a rule, how it is in an agreement with the scientific method and what scientists and theories did follow it, otherwise your statements will remain to be no different from bubbling of a crazy idiot.
    2. If a scientific theory has no practical use should the theories which have practical use be taught in schools first, because upon graduation kids have no clue what is climate, temperature, warming, how electricity works in their houses, and many useful and practical things while they are full of beliefs and fantasies which have no practical use?
    3. Are we all agreeing at last that there is no practical use of the ToE?


    I provided links, graph, quotes from peer reviewed articles. You as always have absolutely nothing, which proves over and over, that believers in evolution have no clue about anything at all, and that their statements which never have any reference to any facts or reality are no different from bubbling of a crazy idiot.


    I will pass your opinion to Newton, Einstein and others I quoted and linked to.
     
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    Nope, still no answer.

    Is your answer: "I don't know?" You can just type "I don't know", if so.
     
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    Delusional as all believers in evolution.
    I point to somebody who in difference from understands what is observation phenomena of appearances of new species.
    It does not mean that such phenomena was ever observed or will ever be observed.
    Are you OK today?
     
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    My answer is: I am not interested in speculations, guesses and fantasies for whatever is not deduced from the phenomena must be called a hypothesis; and hypotheses, whether metaphysical or physical, or based on occult qualities, or mechanical, have no place in in natural sciences.

    It is my sig.
     
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    What in the world is this hot garbage? There is literally only one thing that makes science, "science", the absence of which which renders all else, "not science": Applying the scientific method (simple and well defined itself) to test hypotheses.
     
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    So, you are not interested in answering the questions. Which means, you did not answer, and intentionally so, by your own admission..

    That's okay, I knew you would not. Asking the questions about the ancestor of modern canids was merely an exercise to elicit a predicted response from you (swift retreat, change the subject) that, itself, says a lot about your position and your M.O.

    yguy won't answer them, either. You can take that to the bank.
     
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    I will pass your opinion to Newton and Einstein.
     
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    You really should explain that.

    It's science that verified evolution - and continues to test it even today!

    This isn't a matter of "believe" - it's a matter of learning exactly how it happens - how cells divide, how sexual reproduction works, etc. It's a matter of watching the constant evolution of bacteria as they "learn" to defeat our medicines - and our efforts to defeat them. It's a matter of the history of agriculture as humans provided the selectivity that guided the development of crop species. It's our domestication of animals - from wolves to dogs that fit in a purse, etc. It's how humans got blue eyes, developed the ability to digest milk as adults, and lost about a tennis ball's worth of brain size over the last 20K years. It's what explains the appearance of new species in the fossil record, all carefully deposited in time sequence.

    There isn't any way of denying that much of what is going on around us.

    Nobody has a better explanation.

    It wasn't some sort of "believers" who made evolution a foundation of all modern biology - scientists did that, because evolution is the fundamental nature of nature.
     
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    Supposedly it is science sob-forum I am taking questions related to science and not going on the path of speculations, fantasies and guess which have no place natural sciences.
     
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    I explained 5 times.
    There is the scientific method.
    I quoted it and crosschecked with links, quotes, articles.
    I did it over and over again.
    Believers in evolution keep on acting like pre-programmed zombies.
     
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    Wow!!

    Forming and testing hypotheses is EXACTLY what scientific method is ALL ABOUT!!

    Your proposition here needs SERIOUS explanation.
     
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    -Are we all agreeing at last that there is no practical use of the ToE?

    -If a scientific theory has no practical use should the theories which have practical use be taught in schools first, because upon graduation kids have no clue what is climate, temperature, warming, how electricity works in their houses, and many useful and practical things while they are full of beliefs and fantasies which have no practical use?



    I quoted one of 3 founders of the science of antibiotics declaring that evolution has no use in science.
    I also asked a question.... – what was that question?

    I was joking. My bet is that there has been no practical use of ToE in life or in any Nobel or in any science and there will never be. So it is valid for another thousand years from now.


    The point is that neither you nor any other believer in evolution will ever know what is the scientific method and what is “the most basic, cursory attempts at the scientific method.”

    The claim of the believers in evolution that somehow all different scientists get together and vote which theory is scientific and which is not and the vote forever becomes the order and the rule for society and other scientists is beyond of being idiotic, very much beyond. In psychology it is called a psychiatric disorder not treated by psychologists.
     
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    Go right ahead. But I will remember this "deference to experts" you are now displaying out of convenience, as you continue to imply the global scientific community is either incompetent, or lying, or both (but only when they contradict your religious dogma, and at no other time....what a coincidence!)

    I want you to let the absurdity of this behavior by you sink in a little bit.
     
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    If, by "all agreeing" you mean literally only one person in the entire thread (you). ..then....uh....okay
     
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    I quoted the scientific method and crosschecked it with links, quotes, articles.
    So address your WOW to Newton and Einstein I quoted, and to other links and facts I posted.
    Believers in evolution keep on acting like pre-programmed zombies.
     
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    Great!

    @_Inquisitor_



    Canis lepophagus

    Canis lepophagus , believed to be the ancestors of modern wolves and coyotes, appeared in the fossil record in North America about 34 million years ago. We find their fossils in layers from 34 million years ago until about 12 million years ago. They do not appear in the fossil record before or since.

    Where did they come from?

    Where did they go?
     
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    I asked you 5 times to show a single practical use ToE.
    All includes you, too.
     
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    I think you missed that I'm saying YOUR rule doesn't exist. There is no rule that says that the results of science must have a practical application.
    Maybe you should propose a specific problem here.

    At the high school level, the focus is on how scientific method works with some introduction to specific fields - like chemistry, physics, or biology. It's certainly the case that evolution is a topic. In college, anyone interested in biological sciences would be expected to have general knowledge of evolution.
    In medicine, engineers and scientists are in constant pursuit of bacteria and other biological elements that are constantly evolving to defeat the pharmaceutical solutions that have been developed. Ignoring evolution is just plain silly - they have jobs BECAUSE the enemy is evolving. Why do we need a new flu vaccine every year? Why do we desperately need new ways to attack bacteria? Etc.

    I'll leave it at that.
    It is you who is failing to understand what Einstein said.
     
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    My mistake, I keep on forgetting that no believer in evolution has any clue about what is science and what is speculation, guess, fantasy.
     
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    Actually, you only had to ask me once, as I immediately provided several examples. Being the intellectually dishonest and rude person you have been in this thread,you dismissed both all of the examples and my efforts to honestly answer your question, and now say I never did this in the first place. How very dishonest and rude of you.
     
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    Right...you are saying this is true of nearly the entire, global scientific community.

    And this is why you are ridiculous and deserve mockery. You are the 90 pound weakling, claiming you can knockout Mike Tyson.
     
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    You keep saying things that are diametrically opposed to scientific method.

    You make totally unacceptable limitations on what may be considered evidence.

    You suggest science doesn't include testing hypotheses - which is ridiculous.
     
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