Far-right activists detained at UK border before Britain First rally

That is an argument for another thread, but I do not hate you Gilos or Pisa, and certainly not because you are a Jew. I do however hate the leaders of Britain First, I hate them because they used the image of Lee Rigby despite the family asking them not to, I hate them because the used the logo of the British Legion, despite being told not to, I hate them because they described the Finley Park attacker as a hero. I hate them because they represent a form of nationalism that Britain has stood against since before WW2.

 

I know you dont but I had a point to make, I have no affection to my leaders and join you in condeming them, that said the "anti zionism" existed for a very long time and I diffrenate the movement from the ppl that follow it each for his own reasons and goals, I think you for example follow it to whip Israelis and not truly to destroy them, others have other reasons.

 

why has this thread been taken off topic to discus Israel and antizionism. The people in the OP are neo nazis who are a danger both to European Jews and Muslims. They are no danger to Israel.

European Jews are alarmed by Israel's Outreach to the antisemetic Far Right

As I have said in this thread and another the promotion of hatred and Muslims started in the US and then becoming transatlantic comes from Israel supporters - both the funding and those who fermented it all claiming each other were experts when none of them were.

so of course this is no surprise

United against the Muslims: The Israeli flirtation with Europe's extreme right


I had no idea when I started this thread that the main deflection would come from Israelis but I guess given that their country is wooing the sort of people in the OP, they are not concerned about the well being of European Jews and believe it is better to instead discuss antizionism.

 

That makes no sense. You seem unaware of the history of Nazism and what they did to the Jewish people.

If they are "neo-Nazis", your term, they would obviously have the same agenda. However it is the Muslims who are shouting "Death to Israel", Death To America", "Death to England" and are the genuine progeny of Nazi hatred toward Jews, and anyone else who is not a Muslim. Your posts only seek to distract from that truth.

 

What makes no sense is you making posts about things you know absolutely nothing about.

https://972mag.com/an-alliance-of-hate-the-israeli-rights-ties-to-european-facism/118580/

 

Using a variety of terms designed to obfuscate rather than illuminate, which means different things to different people, or nothing at all, ignores the basic realities of their shared animosities and criminal behavior.

The fact remains that Nazis hate Jews and Muslims hate Jews. If that is left wing or right wing is up to you to decide - it really doesn't matter - but that is the shared ideology.

 

What do you mean "They are no danger to Israel"? I really hope you don't mean what I think you mean.
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Extremist organizations, if allowed to become too powerful, are a danger. Democracies, however, can't function in a sterilized environment. We get the middle and the extremes, and everything in between. A democracy that doesn't allow someone like Tommy Robinson to make himself heard is committing suicide. That's not to say that freedom of speech and freedom of opinion have no limits, of course. The toughest question democracies are facing today is where the red line should be drawn.

I think that refusing entry to the Polish neo-nazis was the right thing to do. Some google search shows they're both despicable individuals. I also think that refusing entry to Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders was the wrong thing to do. They are intelligent individuals. A civilized dialogue with worthy opponents is always better than outright rejection. Ideas travel both ways, maybe some common sense would have found its way into their worldview.

The European far-right has been courting Israel and Jews for a long time. They see us as natural allies against Muslims. The point they're missing is that, while Muslims are taught to hate Jews, we are not taught to hate Muslims. So far those Europeans have only managed to attract some extremist Jewish bloggers into an unholy alliance.

The article is wildly exaggerating the "outreach". A Polish radio personality...seriously?

Relying on an opinion piece that fiercely denounces as a hate group people opposed to Sharia in the US is a bit extreme even for you. Pure garbage.

The article you linked to has a severe lack of any tangible proof. Another pure garbage.

Noam Rotem is a liar. He writes for Al Jazeera, the mouthpiece of the terrorist enabler Qatar. Nice company you keep.

Yes, I can prove he's a liar, but only if you don't accuse me again of trying to hijack the thread.

 

I am pretty sure this is the thread where we got into discussing Israel's relationship with East Europe's far right countries in particular Hungary and her ignoring the pleas of Hungary's Jews
Here is a ten minute video of the situation in Hungary. Israel is with the leaders. What they have in common is that they both are Nationalistic, far right, both hate minorities and most of all both hate Muslims - the reality that Hungary is also extremely antisemetic and even honouring past Hungarian Nazi supporters does not phase the Israelis one bit.

Hungary's Jews like most of Europe suffer in the main from antisemitism from the far right. In this video it says in Germany that is 93% of attacks reported between Jan and Aug 2017 were by the far right. The video also speaks to Hungary's Jews who unsurprisingly are becoming somewhat suspicious of Zionism.

The Far right in Europe and in the States support Israel and Israel supports them.

Please watch the video before commenting.

 

Bollocks.

 

Neturei Karta? Srsly? You base your whole argumentation on a fringe extremist sect dedicated to bring about the end of the world?

Yes, the underlying ideology behind Neturei Karta's strident anti-Zionism is, as stated in my previous post, that Jews clinging to their own culture, customs, religion and country can only be bad people, preventing by their actions the coming of the Messiah. Neturei Karta is not mainstream Judaism, its members are taught from early childhood to hate any Jew that doesn't belong to the sect. They're far away from the teachings of the Torah they pretend to uphold.

As I said, hatred of Jews wanting to be Jews is the reason for anti-Zionism.

If I were you, I'd worry about your own Corbynistas flirting openly with Hezbollah.

 

I don't give a **** about Hezbollah.
Couldn't care less.

No fan of Corbyns however. Nor the IRA.

Sorry you hate orthadox Jews.
Tottenham is full of them. They built their Jerusalem on England's green and pleasant shores. What Israel does or doesn't do has no bearing on them at all. Why should they self identify with a bunch of people in a foreign country just because they share the same religion?

They don't and who can blame them.