Fascism 101

Fascism, a term coined by the socialist Mussolini, is a collectivist political and economic philosophy. It is an offshoot of socialism.

Currently the US has a fascist economy, the state controls the means of production through regulation.

 

I've never said that populism is fascism. I've said that fascism uses the populism. That is different.

And fascism in USA takes the form of conservatism, mainly the known neoconservatism. I don't see any differences from fascism.

If you want we can compare what the official fascist parties defend and what the neoconservatism defend, and let's see the differences. The differences are minimium.

 

LOL.

I enjoy when the closest people to fascism try to invent new definitions to it, to not feel closer to fascism, or being related. Mainly because fascism always has bad image, and they can not use it.

The fascism and socialism, communism are enemies. They don't have anything in common. Say that are some kind of socialism is showing real ignorance of the reality.

 

Soviet Union certainly advocated a strong military and dominant foreign policy. Are they fascist? Was all the European colonialism, facism by another name?

 

Less so than 95%+ of the other countries of the world, so by that definition, the world is fascist.

 

Quite a large number of Americans did voluntarily go to Spain to fight for the leftist parties--at the time there was a very sizable socialist movement in the US, and plenty of those socialists joined the fight. British leftists too (George Orwell among them). No, it wasn't official, and the US government in fact opposed this whole endeavor. They were on the side of Franco (quietly, without actually committing military resources) in the whole debacle. But back then, the US was a nominally free country where people could make such decisions for themselves.

 

The US is merely controlled by elites in place of the government, and government control in the US is markedly less democratic than in most "western" nations.

 

Absolutely correct. Anarchists want an actual self-regulated society, not a dictatorship of the proletariat. It's been the core difference between anarchists and communists since the first international.

 

That exact problem is why communists aren't libertarian socialists.

 

???? Soooo your point was irrelevant to the topic of discussion, or are you asserting that if one advocates populism over statism they are fascist?

 

Not even remotely. Fascism is politicized nationalism--anathema to socialists. You think it is an "offshoto of socialism" only because you misunderstand socialism as a philosophy with the sole goal of bringing society under government control. Socialism has always been about social liberation, and the establishment of self-regulating societies. Fascism utterly rejects the notion of self-management in favor of self-sacrifice for the good of the nation.

They are not politically related ideologies, even if some fascists did cynically attempt to utilize the term "socialist", which at the time had a positive connotation among most people. Their actual positions were utterly in opposition to socialist policies. That's why socialists and fascists were so bitterly opposed to each other. There's no reconciliation possible between fascism and socialism. They run directly counter to one another.

Which is certainly not even remotely related to socialism, where the workers themselves control the means of production directly.

 

Given that the Soviet Union does not exist anymore, it is quite impossible for it to be anything in the present tense, except dead. However, the Soviet Union ceased to be socialist when the Bolsheviks took over--and Stalin was particularly anti-revolutionary. By the usual definition of fascism--state control of the means of production for the advancement of an elite-governed nation--the Soviet Union was certainly a fascist state. It definitely practiced state capitalism, in the sense that the state centralized all capital in its own hands. It also opposed actual socialist revolutions, such as the revolution taking place during the Spanish Civil War.

 

And "no government" is a utopian pipe dream. How, without a government, how are you going to take the means of production from the current owners? Without a government how are you going to prevent people from accumulating wealth and means of production to generate more wealth?

 

Without a government, how would the owners stop them? You might say they would hire guards, but without the government, they would have nothing to pay those guards with. Without the government, there is no property (in the legal sense), and hence no ownership. But I'm glad that you at least recognize that no government would be a utopia.

Well, they wouldn't be able to own anything without a government there to enforce their claim of ownership, so how exactly would they amass said wealth or control the means of production?

 

Not by me..

 

Women's rights, gay marriage etc. have nothing to do with fascism. Those are social issues.

 

Accusing? must everything be an accusation?

 

Socialism, communism and fascism are the same animal... just different colors. It's all collectivism.

 

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In this case, don't judge a political idelgoly by its name.

 

Facism is facism, no matter where.

 

Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Argon are all three the same thing... They're all gasses...

It's stupid to classify them all as "the same" simply because they are philosophies that accept that social cooperation is better than social competition. That's utterly naive or intellectually dishonest.

"They differ on everything, except this one issue, and therefore they are the same thing."

That's essentially your argument.

 

nor i,Obama is a savage capitialist Politican of US Imperialism and a War criminal ,Assassin ,scumbag Uncle tom but no Hitler ,nor is he Fascist ,Communist ,Socialist he is DECAYED LIBERALISM of US IMPERIALISM and Capitialist form of Democracy ,facsism is anti-liberal forms of Capitialist rule its for direct form liquidation of the Working Class and all Democracy.

Full to the brim with middle class dross.yes the class character of all Fascist movements is the Frenzied middle class and lumpen layers of declassed proletariet.

 

hey dimwit ,Nationalism is TOTALLY opposed to INTERNATIONALISM,NATIONAL in a party's Name denotes CAPITIALIST NATION PARTY.

See us Socialists or Internationalists are for the ABOLITION OF THE NATION STATE SYSTEM OF CAPITIALISM .YES A WORLD WHERE NATIONS NO LONGER EXIST!

The Nazi Party of Hitler and Rhomm was a NATIONAL see the difference in the word form dimwit ,NATIONAL NATIONALIST for the NATION of CAPITIALISM and the GERMAN CAPITIALIST CLASS.NATIONAL INTREST ???ring bells at all?

We INTERNATIONALISTS or Socialists don't like all forms of Capitialist rule Liberal democratic or counter-revolutionary fascist.2 sides of the same Capitialist Government coin .

1 side nice amby pamby liberals and conservatives forming a political duopoly and the other side the counter-revolution openly Capitialist Fascism.

hitler never abolished nor Nationalised the Banks and Major Industry outside munitions .Seimens and Bosh and VW as well as many others made themselves exploiting Concentration camp Labour.

Nasty thing Capitialist rule stripped bare of the Amby-pamby liberal facade.

let me guess you believe God exists,its the method of your thinking that gives it away BTW!

Faith think is stupid think!

 

It's certainly true that the international character of socialism puts it sharply at odds with the intense nationalism of fascist systems.

 

yes the problems of God faith form of thinkin'.see ite thinkin' devoid of the need of evidence where everything can equal everything else its called post-modernist thinkin' as well Faith think and Post-modernist thunkin',are cousins .

now we shouldn't require such primative thunkers to0 actually think,see method is the key ,they take whatever is the most simplistic and then present truth as simplistic,nothing happens outside their thunkin'.

they would also argue all Political Parties are the same because they all use the word party.they don't even think empirically anymore they fight against any form of evidence based thinking and In that fact are a lot closer to joining with Fascist elements then we all may think.

Non think or backward thinking is the water on the Fascist seed.