FBI Has 'Overwhelming' Evidence to Indict and Convict Hillary

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  1. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Of course not, I've added that in many times. Because it's the two things that this case will revolve around. You're usually wrong about everything, so your opinion doesn't mean much. They will have to prove intent or the information will have to be so serious that they view it as gross negligence. If they can't prove either of those, which looks like they won't be able too, she'll be fine. You guys are going to be wrong as always.

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    That's your Google version of the law. In the real world, this case will be determined by intent. Gross negligence seems out of the picture since she wants the emails to be released to the public because she feels they should not be classified. You guys really should just start listening to us... instead of having opinions based on Google searches and your own interpretation of the law.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    Totally specious argument, the crime occurs when she places the information on that server and transmits it through it. Doesn't matter a twit if anyone intercepted one single word, the prosecution has no burden to show it and is no defense.

    And

    Clinton's Email Server Was Unencrypted For Three Months, Researchers Say

    In her first three months in office, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Japan, Indonesia, Korea, China, Egypt, Israel, Belgium, Switzerland, and Turkey. As she traveled across the world, any work emails sent from her personal email account (which we now know she used to conduct all State business) were sent in plain text without any way to verify the authenticity of her server, according to new research from Venafi. It wasn’t until the end of March 2009 that a digital certificate was first installed on her email server, leaving the account extremely vulnerable to surveillance and spoofing in the meantime.

    The news that Clinton had used a private email account while Secretary of State broke last Sunday, and more details have been trickling out ever since. Reports soon revealed that Clinton was using a private email server, clintonmail.com, whose location has been traced to her home outside of New York City. On Tuesday, Clinton gave a press conference to address the situation, her first public comment since tweeting on March 4th:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevin...er-first-three-months-in-office/#7dc238a22649

    GEEZ we've only know this for over a year now and have repeated it routinely here. Your running our of excuses and defenses here you know. While at the same time getting snarky with those of us who DO know the facts here.
     
  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No it's one thing.

    Oh you get snarky and then make a fallacious statement AGAIN.

    Post the law that requires intent.

    That's the US Code version of the law, the one where no intent is necessary to prosecute the crime, what do you have to trump it?
     
  4. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    It's either intent or gross negligence. Neither seems to be present. She'll be fine. Your interpretation of the law is 100% incorrect 100% of the time, lol. I've seen your previous posts. You're always wrong.
     
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    She is corrupt. And she lies a lot.

    How many lies a minute is she telling here?

    [video=youtube;-dY77j6uBHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
  6. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Your guys interpretation of "lies" are flawed. Usually you guys just lie about others lying. Sorry if I don't buy your made up bs.
     
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  8. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Case in point
     
  9. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    What don't I understand? Does your legal system operate on the principle of innocent until proven guilty or not?
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    If it was that clear then why hasn't she been charged with a crime? Because...?

    I just love how the right-wing has charged, tried and convicted Clinton based on having seen no evidence whatsoever! Isn't 'hearsay' inadmissible, or are media-generated rumours now acceptable as evidence in the US?

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/0...broke-law-will-right-wing-media-listen/210266
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    That it only applies to the legal system.
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    Once again not how it works over here works over here. This time the legal system.
     
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    So, according to you, she never set up her private server to handle classified material...and yet, we know she didn't conduct her State Department business through authorized government channels on their servers. So how do you think planned to handle all the business of the United States of America State Department?

    By carrier pigeon? Through mental telepathy? By renting out a Post Office p.o. box? Go ahead and add another option since you seem to think
    creatively. I think it would be interesting. Justin Cooper, who set up the server, had no security clearance or expertise in computer security, by the way.


    I really do get it. I have never claimed unauthorized people used her server...that's a red herring you keep referencing for some reason.

    Yes, she has to provide all material relating to her job, yet we know, on advice from her lawyer she destroyed many of her emails, which she claims were all personal (trust me, she says...trust me). We also know this....
    "Security experts such as Chris Soghoian believe that emails could be at risk of hacking and foreign surveillance. Marc Maiffret, a cybersecurity expert, said that the server had "amateur hour" vulnerabilities. For the first two months after Clinton was appointed Secretary of State and began accessing mail on the server through her Blackberry, transmissions to and from the server were apparently not encrypted. On March 29, 2009 a “digital certificate" was obtained which would have permitted HTTPS encryption."

    "Former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Michael T. Flynn, former United States Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, and former deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency Michael Morell have said that it is likely that foreign governments were able to access the information on Clinton's server. Michael Hayden, former Director of the National Security Agency, Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency said "I would lose all respect for a whole bunch of foreign intelligence agencies if they weren't sitting back, paging through the emails."

    It doesn't inspire much confidence in Clinton, does it. And it does confirm that Clinton is likely very guilty of gross negligence for failure to protect and secure private government, at a minimum.
     
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    The only thing that's very clear is that the right is continuing their long-standing tradition of wasting US taxpayers' money by using "investigations" as political tools and ignoring precedence set by other administrations who were doing the same thing but were nearly COMPLETELY ignored.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    And how is the rights doing this? This started as an IG investigation and now and FBI one. How is the "right" directing this?

    And NO ONE has done this before and the IG investigated the previous 3 Secretary of States. I have not heard they referred any wrong doing to the FBI, have you?

    But if they did have 2200 classified emails on a private server with 22 of them the highest classifications and they did so against the warnings of the Cybe security experts and a direct presidential order then at the least they should never hold a security clearance again and never be involvedin national security matters again don't you agree?
     
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    While everyone here seems to be an expert on this investigation (who knew how many FBI agents were on here) I choose to await due process. But that's just me. I have this thing for the constitution. But the court of public opinion is not subject to the constitution so feel free to convict away. Oh and Trump is guilty of fraud.....in the court of public opinion.
     
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    I asked you about your claim that the right is behind the IG investigation and the FBI investigation.

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    And NO ONE has done this before and the IG investigated the previous 3 Secretary of States. I have not heard they referred any wrong doing to the FBI, have you?
     
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    I made no such claim.....should we just dispense with a trial?
     
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    Right!! Recipes, photos of her precious grandbaby, e-mails of her selling state department approval for Russians to purchase 20% of our uranium reserves in return for millions in donation to the Clinton Foundation, Halloween party plans, color swatches for painting the living room in Chappaqua, agreements to speak at Goldman Sachs for a huge fee and a promise to give Bill a huge speaking fee. You know, just personal stuff.
     
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    I'm sorry Bluesguy, perhaps if you went back and followed the thread, you'd understand it was a response to a subjective statement.
     
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    Correct you were responding to my question to someone who did. And NO I look forward to the trial but a trial is not necessary for me to see the wrongdoing in which she engaged.

    How about you?
     
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    It was a statement of fact

    How is the right directing or even caused this investigation to occur? And show me where the IG investigation into Albright's, Powell's, and Rice's emails turned up evidence of "the same thing" a "precident" or wrongdoing and their referral to the FBI.
     
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    You are entitled to form opinions about a candidate based on anything. I prefer to wait for the facts to be determined in a court of law. Trump has been accused of fraud and now recently has been accused of rape in a law suit. I will also wait for those facts.
     
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    I'm not asking you about a trial and criminal charges she may face. I'm asking about what we already know and if the only wrongdoing a government official can engaged in is criminal behavior? You seriously do not see any wrongdoing in what she did criminal or not?

    BTW it has been announced today that ALL the communications between her and her IT guy have mysteriously disappeared. And you want to put her in charge of everything?
     
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    The alternative is to put in charge a man that has committed fraud and bilked thousands of people out of their money by lying to them. He has also been accused of the rape of a 13 year old girl. Now I find this last charge not credible but I have not seen all the evidence. Maybe he did it. And you want to put HIM in charge of everything?
     

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