FBI is a politiced institution. There is no doubt.

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Who was aware of this standing order, and where is the documentation was the question.
    The Buffoon part comes from the fact he signed the order that made his own action a felony. An order he obviously didn't understand.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trum...-documents-in-2018_n_62f3c2e9e4b0133dd5b4f229
     
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    FBI asked for emails...Hillary's team scrubbed emails before handing them over to the FBI...Hillary's team didn't give all the emails to the FBI.
     
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    If one takes the time to read any number of books written over decades, one must admit that J. Edgar Hoover set the tone for the Agency during his administration.

    One such book is Surveillance Nation, which is a collection of articles written in The Nation magazine from 1931 to the present time, published in 2014 and edited by Richard Kreitner.

    It shows just how political the FBI has been, pretty much from its start. It does appear that with Garland at the helm of DOJ, today's FBI makes Hoover's look like Cub Scouts by comparison.
     
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    Dude, a president can declassify documents. A president doesn't have to ask for advise on the declassification of documents.
     
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    You use buffoon a lot... do you ever consider you may be in that category yourself... if he declassified them then your link is just more deflection and misinformation to the facts.
     
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    Yes. Precisely what the RAID was about. Another of the FBI's insurance policies.
    Peter Strzok’s ‘Insurance Policy’ - Lawfare (lawfareblog.com)
     
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    I know right, two days before the general election and they announce the opening of the investigation....

    Oh wait that was the Hillary Clinton investigation.. well 3 months before the midterms is something too I guess.. not that Trump himself is running in any of those elections
     
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    Seems they learned their lesson about warning people huh?
    Hence the raid.
     
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    Even if I was a buffoon, its not relevant to Trumps situation, or the FBI's duties.

    If he declassified them, there would be documentation correct, to avoid problems such as this?
     
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    Dude, you realize presidents can declassify documents, right?
     
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    You realize they have to do that right? He is not currently the president is he?
    So where is the documentation he did that. Assumption is the mother of F'ups.
     
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    He declassified them back when he WAS the POTUS.
     
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    I get it.

    You hate the police when they are going after someone you admire.
     
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    Based on what documentation?
    Just having them doesn't mean he went through the legal, legitimate methods to do so. Who was aware, of this declassification? Or was it just to be assumed?
     
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    It's inherent in the duties of a president to declassify documents. Presidents don't need to fill out any forms.

    Dude, maybe Trump declassified those documents while he was still president?
    Maybe the FBI doesn't want those documents to be made public 'cause it would look bad for the FBI?
     
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    Who told you that lie?
    Him handling it declassifies it, or you think its a retroactive policy.
    There would be documentation stating whats been declassified, and the date.
    The minutes of the situation are documentation enough. A secretary's duties of course.
     
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    Now you're just making stuff up. You hate Trump that much?
     
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    Apparently he made several public statements about declassifying certain documents.

    No, Congress has no role in the classification or declassification process.
     
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    Irrelevant, but i dont hate him, do you disagree with such procedures?
     
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    At the time of his presidency, or after he was fired?
    No it would be a secretary's job.
     
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    The response to the raid was predictable. And all the excuses since were predictable. The only thing left, now that the warrant and receipt was released, is to call Garland and the FBI partisan. Also predictable.
     
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    "there would be documentation correct"... not with a standing order...

    So if there were or were not "documents" to show it... are you saying the FBI and NARA did not have a clue where these classified document were? Are you saying 18 months later there were Top Secret documents floating around that the FBI and NARA lost track of?
     
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    Im saying he never declassified them, because he may not have known proper procedure.

    There would HAVE to be documentation, otherwise this happens. This is like those people who complain the IRS are knocking, but fail to reveal they ignored 2 years of attempted communication.
    Im willing to bet Trump knew this would happen but needed the attention, so let it happen.
     
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    Nope, and the reason why it doesn't need to be documented is right here:

    "those in Trump’s orbit say that no president is personally bound by the removal and retention rules governing classified documents, which can be declassified if the president simply says they are, according to Ric Grenell, who was Trump’s acting director of national intelligence and who handled highly classified information."

    “There is no approval process for the president of the United States to declassify intelligence. There is this phony idea that he must provide notification for declassification but that’s just silly. Who is he supposed to notify? I think it’s the height of swampism to think the president should seek bureaucrats’ approval,” Grenell told NBC News, emphasizing that he wasn’t personally speaking for the president."

    "Trump himself said on his Truth Social platform Friday, "It was all declassified."

    Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts say it's unclear whether that will hold up. (nbcnews.com)
     
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    He wasn't president Friday now was he?
    He's supposed to notify the people that wrote the darn thing up. Its part of the transfer of power.

    Now, if a former president can retroactively declassify stuff, that may exonerate him...I doubt they can.
     
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