Federal age to smoke and vape raised to 21.

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Sackeshi, Dec 21, 2019.

?

Do you support this las

  1. Yes

    8 vote(s)
    22.2%
  2. No.

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  1. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,128
    Likes Received:
    194
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    HB Surfer likes this.
  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    40,860
    Likes Received:
    46,541
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If the government thinks people are too stupid to act responsibly until they hit 21 years of age then why the hell does the government think they’re smart enough to vote?
     
    cyndibru, zer0lis, JET3534 and 14 others like this.
  3. Rush_is_Right

    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2019
    Messages:
    3,874
    Likes Received:
    4,400
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If we can draft an 18 year old to go fight and die for this country then they should be able to smoke and drink. Otherwise, raise the draft age to 21.
     
  4. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,128
    Likes Received:
    194
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Smoking is a social activity voting is private. The age to vote was lowered due to the age to join the military.
     
  5. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,254
    Likes Received:
    5,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    this might help a little, but also might mean more kids buying from illegitimate sources.

    The kids that want to do this anyway they will find a way same with alcohol.
     
    FatBack likes this.
  6. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    36,590
    Likes Received:
    9,167
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well that settles it then, ...............
     
    ModCon likes this.
  7. Cubed

    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2012
    Messages:
    17,640
    Likes Received:
    4,602
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If your old enough to die for your country, your old enough to do anything else.
     
    cyndibru, 557, FlamingLib and 5 others like this.
  8. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,640
    Trophy Points:
    113
    BTW, which of congress's enumerated powers allows it to enact a law banning vaping?
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2019
    Labouroflove likes this.
  9. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2019
    Messages:
    5,041
    Likes Received:
    1,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Once again the government encourages people to live longer, but has no plans in place to keep them financially stable when they can no longer work..


    Its hilarious..
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2019
    Labouroflove likes this.
  10. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,833
    Likes Received:
    6,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Raise majority back to 21, voting contracts etc. Lowering it to 18 was a mindless political expedient divorced from physical reality.

    As to banning smoking for those below the age of 21 will require laws that criminalize the act and contributing to it. I'm opposed.

    I'm opposed because it doesn't rise to a level of severity that warrants intrusive governmental enforcement. We're licensing an armed government agent to detain search and arrest an individual for burning a leaf or boiling a milligram of glycerin and nicotine.

    Do we really want more armed interactions with our younger citizens concerning laws about personal behavior that harms no other?

    Jail, fines and criminal records?

    Stupid
     
  11. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2019
    Messages:
    5,041
    Likes Received:
    1,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Heck I remember us kids going to Wisconsin at 18 years old to legally drink a beer.
     
  12. Sanskrit

    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2014
    Messages:
    16,225
    Likes Received:
    6,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Selective service and voting both need to be raised to 21. Only a tiny fraction of 18 year olds of any political bent are competent to vote. I sure as F wasn't nor was anyone that age I knew at the time.
     
    ModCon, roorooroo and Labouroflove like this.
  13. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2019
    Messages:
    5,041
    Likes Received:
    1,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Every thing you make taboo kids will find away and over do it.


    When I was in Japan in the 1980s they had vending machines on the corner that gave you a beer can. No big deal
     
  14. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    88,000
    Likes Received:
    20,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How about we just exempt anyone who’s drafted?
     
  15. Rush_is_Right

    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2019
    Messages:
    3,874
    Likes Received:
    4,400
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How about exempt anyone eligible for the draft?
     
  16. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    88,000
    Likes Received:
    20,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Youth smoking has been declining for years.
     
  17. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    17,602
    Likes Received:
    16,801
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And the left wants to lower it to SIXTEEN and allow inmates IN PRISON to vote. Inmates would likely vote 85% D and the kids would vote for "free stuff".
     
    Red Lily, ModCon, Libby and 1 other person like this.
  18. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    17,602
    Likes Received:
    16,801
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Indeed, or any drugs.
     
    Longshot likes this.
  19. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,640
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I've yet to receive an answer to my question.
     
  20. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,833
    Likes Received:
    6,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right, education on the subject works, not criminalizing the behavior.
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  21. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    17,602
    Likes Received:
    16,801
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And you wont, it's no where in there.
     
    Longshot likes this.
  22. Rush_is_Right

    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2019
    Messages:
    3,874
    Likes Received:
    4,400
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Or anything for that matter? I remember the feds withholding gas tax funds to states that didn't pass DUI laws. This is abuse of power. The states should sue.
     
    Longshot likes this.
  23. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2019
    Messages:
    5,041
    Likes Received:
    1,868
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Turning to pot
     
  24. Mrlucky

    Mrlucky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    Messages:
    4,964
    Likes Received:
    3,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When I was in Germany in the 80's there were small wall hung cigarette vending machines mounted on the outside of village shops. There were maybe 10 or so different brands at most. One was always Marlboro. What I found odd was that some had 20 cigs per pack, others 21 or even 19. It was regulated depending on the German State and/or local taxes.
     
    william kurps likes this.
  25. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2014
    Messages:
    20,299
    Likes Received:
    7,733
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hell no! The govt that refuses to represent the majority of us has no business dictating anything on this issue. Our constitution is supposed to protect us from a govt that over steps
    and wants to be a king.

    I want to be protected from criminals who want to harm us , protected from being invaded and protected from a govt that takes away god given rights.

    So no thanks for I dont need govt to protect me from myself. And both parties are guilty of protecting me from myself. Disrespecting citizens and personal sovereignty Who the hell do they think they are ? My parents or slave owners since they already passed laws that shows in effect they claim ownership over my mind and body.
     
    roorooroo, Labouroflove and Longshot like this.

Share This Page