Federal Prosecutors ‘Concluded that President of the United States Committed a Felony’

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  1. TomFitz

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    Hatred doesn't have much to do with it.

    Federal prosecutors are now on record saying that your fuhrer committed a federal crime.

    If lying about a blowjob is an impeachable offense, then ordering your fixer to commit a felony certainy rises to that level.

    If it comes to that, this will certainly be added to the counts in the indictment.

    As the poster noted, this is hardly the only one of the long catalog of Trump and Trump Administration crimes that will be investigated over the next two years.
     
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    If Trump is legally indicted based on this nonsense, he'll be cleared by the court and the jury, a lowly public defendant will easily win a case like this based solely on the claim of a convicted felon with a lengthy record of lying, let alone top legal team. These cases are generally not winnable in court to begin with. Ask John Edwards.

    If Trump is politically impeached based on this garbage, he'll be cleared of any wrong-doing by the Senate. Ask Bill Clinton, the case against him was infinitely stronger.
     
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    Great Mules is on it and if what you say is true then it's a slam dunk so let me know when Trump's found guilty. The problem with you guys is that all you do is try to make something out of nothing and you end up looking like blabbering idiots. You just don't learn from your previous got him claims but hey it's entertaining watching you foam at the mouth at every article written by a guy in a basement making 30 grand claiming Trump is a failure and an idiot...
     
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    On record? So what?

    While I can appreciate your Bundestag is sending out signals to the gullible, all there is to go by are the claims of Cohen, most certainly someone of impeccable ethics, and suggestions from the guys holding a gun to his head.
     
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    Just curious do you care whether he broke the law or not.
     
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    So, It Looks Like Michael Cohen Really Didn't Stab Trump In the Back (But He Could Have)….


    Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen could be spending the next few years in jail. The sentencing memo from the Russian investigation headed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller has recommended that Cohen spend the next four years in jail for the eight charges he’s plead guilty to. It also suggests that Cohen was not as cooperative as originally blasted out there by the news media (via WaPo) [emphasis mine]:

    “He seeks extraordinary leniency — a sentence of no jail time — based principally on his rose-colored view of the seriousness of the crimes; his claims to a sympathetic personal history; and his provision of certain information to law enforcement,” prosecutors wrote in their filing. “But the crimes committed by Cohen were more serious than his submission allows and were marked by a pattern of deception that permeated his professional life.”

    The filing also suggests Cohen’s cooperation with law enforcement was not so significant to the investigations swirling around the president.....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...t-stab-trump-in-the-back-but-he-coul-n2537175


    But but but.....the SDNY! [​IMG]
     
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    You aren't the only one that doubts it. Tell SDNY pony up their best, oh wait.....their leftists.


    The Mueller Bombshell That Wasn’t.....

    [​IMG]


    President Trump’s opponents, who eagerly awaited the memos as #MuellerFriday trended on Twitter for hours ahead of the filings, are likely to be disappointed with their findings. The Southern District linked Trump to Cohen’s payments to women who claimed to have had an affair with the President, concluding, “Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1 [Donald Trump].” However, even this implied violation of campaign finance law rings hollow after prosecutors failed to convict ex-Senator John Edwards on a far clearer cut version of this charge in 2012, to say nothing of Trump's long history of similar payouts to women, making it difficult to prove these were campaign-specific and not just business-as-usual at the Trump Organization.

    The special counsel’s sentencing memo for Michael Cohen proved even more disappointing for the collusion crowd. Mueller writes,

    The defendant recalled that [a Russian national] repeatedly proposed a meeting between Individual 1 [Donald Trump] and the President of Russia. The person told Cohen that such a meeting could have ‘phenomenal’ impact ‘not only in political but in a business dimension as well’…. Cohen, however, did not follow up on this invitation.

    In other words, some guy told Cohen that Trump and Putin should meet, and Cohen blew him off. After two years of investigations into Russian “collusion,” is this really all they’ve got?.....snip~

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/39176/mueller-bombshell-wasnt-michael-j-knowles


    The Mueller bombshell that wasn't! [​IMG] ….. [​IMG]….. [​IMG]
     
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    Exactly.

    And imagine the SDNY Prosecutors actually saying Cohen is effectively a delusional POS, but is an ethical source to "confirm" the President committed felonies.

    And the breathless media ministry of the left runs with that....
     
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    It gets worse for the leftness. So grab a popcorn. Big Bag.....and enjoy the leftness talking to one another. Like they discovered something. Like they got it going on.

    They said Edwards committed a felony. Remember how that played out and it was more clear cut then this **** with Trump.



    The Southern District linked Trump to Cohen’s payments to women who claimed to have had an affair with the President, concluding, “Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1 [Donald Trump].” However, even this implied violation of campaign finance law rings hollow after prosecutors failed to convict ex-Senator John Edwards on a far clearer cut version of this charge in 2012, to say nothing of Trump's long history of similar payouts to women, making it difficult to prove these were campaign-specific and not just business-as-usual at the Trump Organization.....snip~

    [​IMG]

     
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    And let's not forget, it's not against campaign finance laws for Trump to spend unlimited sums of his own money on his own campaign.....
     
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    Whoops there it is!


    Remember the movie the Green Berets with John Wayne?

    Remember the little Kid and Sgt Peterson?

    You funny Petersaan! You funny.

    Its no longer Peterson. Its the Leftness.

    You funny leftness. You funny!!!!! :laughing:
     
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    Confirms? Depends what you mean.

    But let's just step back for a minute and look at the facts
    - Cohen has pleaded guilty to a felony of committing a crime for the purpose of helping Trump get elected. He committed the crime in order to help Trump get elected.
    - Cohen says that he committed that crime with the full knowledge and at the direction of Trump.

    So Trump told Cohen to commit a crime, for the purpose of helping Trump get elected. That is a clear assault on the principle of free and fair elections.

    But Trump cultists seem to say that it is OK to commit a felony (or tell someone to do so) in order to get elected. As long as "their guy" wins.
    So much for the party of law and order. More like the party of "anything goes, as long as we win".
     
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    While you're taking that step back, consider the fact that these latest "revelations" are simply Cohen's claims.

    Cohen claims, Cohen says, Cohen, described by SDNY Prosecutors as unreliable and I guess, delusional....

    Kind of a pattern, that if you take a step back makes the certainty the agenda driven SDNY is also claiming, a little less certain. And there is no "depends on what you mean" related to that fact.

    So, perhaps if you're suggesting someone take a step back, you should actually do it yourself.

    And as to suggesting the "cultists" think it's ok to commit a felony, one thing is certain, you're no judge of what other people are thinking.
     
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    All right. Cohen says Trump directed him. You seem to be suggesting that federal career prosecutors are allowing or even encouraging him to lie under oath for a political purpose. That's a bit conspiracy-theory-ish for me, but maybe that's where you are.

    But. What if he isn't lying? What if everything he has admitted to now is true? I know you'll say he isn't reliable, but - what if he is telling the truth?

    Do you think it is ok for a politician to commit a felony (or direct someone else to commit a felony) in order to increase their chances of election?

    Simple question: do you think that is ok?
     
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    Not to mention after the links provided, as to where the Lame Scream was put in check and reality was brought to the leftness.

    There is only one conclusion.

    /thread!!!!!
     
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    This is a completely bogus claim. The person who wrote the blog article is making quite a leap.
     
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    Well, it would be illegal for Prosecutors to encourage someone to lie.

    I'm sure the sentencing gun they held to his head elicited nothing but the truth from a guy they state is unethical, a liar, and is delusional.

    I get you're hoping the "what ifs" are true.

    As to your question, the answer is No, of course.

    What if the Prosecutors used the specter of a long sentence due to the multiple felonies they were able to prove on other non-Trump related matters, to get Cohen to say what they wanted to hear about Trump?

    Do you think it's Ok for Prosecutors to use threats on a vulnerable person they know is unethical and lies, to elicit an admission that could likely be given simply in the hope of getting a lighter sentence?
     
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    I don't think it would be ethical for prosecutors to obtain admissions or statements that they know to be false, or even that they have doubts about it. They should use pressure to get witnesses to tell the truth. I'm pretty sure they are careful to make sure they get the truth, not just "what they want to hear".

    I'm glad you agree that, if what Cohen says is true, Trump's actions were not ok.
     
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    Does it concern you that the SDNY Prosecutors have used the words of a person they label as unethical, a liar, and delusional, to suggest Cohen's statements confirm the President committed felonies?
     
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    This investigation has nothing to do with ethics.
     
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    Have these prosecutors made the claim that Trump committed any felonies? Just curious.
     
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    They have just said what he told them as part of his sentencing documentation. They haven't tried to use that evidence against the president.
    I doubt any prosecutor would bring an indictment against Trump on the strength of Cohen's statements alone, given that he has lied in the past. But if there were other evidence, Cohen's evidence could be used as part of a tapestry of evidence. If his evidence confirmed or was consistent with other evidence it would become more persuasive.

    Given what we know about Trump, does anyone think that what Cohen says couldn't possibly be true?
     
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    That is the million dollar question. Amazing that anyone doubts that a proven lifelong grifter, cheat, thief and liar would not continue to be a grifter, cheat, thief and liar.
     
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