Feminist activist in Iran sentenced to 24 years in prison for removing hijab.

No, I don't.

I sincerely doubt there is anything to "get."

You are just going along with a notion popular on the left with no idea why you should.

 

I believe Iran is slightly higher than the USA in the terrorism index than USA. They may use different weapons but the end result is the same.
Probably the biggest difference here is that the Iranian state itself is contributing to terrorism in surrounding territory as well as committing humanitarian atrocities. Personally, I would rather be shot than spend 25 years in an Iranian prison. In fact if they tried to put me in prison for such an act, I would defend myself physically if necessary.

 

Eh? Women who want equal rights are seldom radical feminists. They just want equal treatment.

 

I am pleased that I live in a country with a Constitution that ensures my right to keep and bear arms. That I want to have "the liberty to maybe commit a mass murder" is pure speculation on your part. We have laws against murder and I agree with those laws.

I would prefer the liberty and risk and "barbarism" I live with to the "security" of an oppressive theocracy. Have you ever compared the Iranian Constitution to the United States Constitution? I decidedly prefer the latter.

Comparing the differences between the two Constitutions, a reasonable person would agree there are vast differences between the two beyond "wearing a thin scarf over your head." Those differences are not "a comparatively small price to pay." Again, "risky liberty" is preferable to "oppressive security." Yes, that is opinion, and if you prefer oppressive security, I cannot say that is wrong for you. I myself prefer risky liberty.

Since you did not answer the question of your preference, or where you actually live, and based on the style of some of your posts which seem to be coming through translation software, I am speculating that you do not live in the United States. If you think this speculation of mine is a personal attack, please consider your speculation concerning me in the quoted material above.

 

You're attacking people who want equal treatment. That sucks.

My mother, a lifelong Republican, was mayor of a city when I was in high school. I may have given women's rights a lot more thought than you have.

 

This remark is totally logical and ridiculous.
Unfortunately, it's also true.

Western women looked askance at Muslim women's lives.
Muslim women look upon Western women with pity at their
sexualized, materialistic, narcissistic and nihilistic lives.

 

Synopsis please.
between prevarication and subjugation
I don't get no meaning.

Can YOU say it in ten words?




Remember the miracle of English is succinctness
witness the verb, "fix".
Or the Declaration of Independence.
Travis' letter from the Alamo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_th...ricans_in_the_World#Composition_of_the_letter or
Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/yes-virginia/68502/

English please,
less

Praise Allah and all that

 

Men and women are different. They have different strengths and weaknesses. Treating them unequally is wisdom. Wisdom doesn't suck.

Well, display the fruits of that thought. It should be more eloquent than saying someone doesn't "get it," or that opponents "suck."

 

Is Muslim Iran sexist for enforcing its law? Well, if it is, it is no more sexist than the USA whose sexist draft registration law has resulted in jail time and other injustices for men:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...raft-women-court-consequences-men/3205425002/



And isn't it funny how forum righties concern themselves with women in Iran while either ignoring the police holocaust of black men here in the USA and other gender related injustices.

 

Your views suck. Being treated equally doesn't guarantee an equal outcome.

 

Then why are women bitching about the so-called pay gap which is easily explained by differences in men's and women's performance.

 

I don't have the luxury of repeating slogans that build on false assumptions and stereotypes created in the popular culture, but I will give what you suggest a try here. Is this succinct enough for you?

With respect to what you have been led to believe about Iran:



And as for my attitude towards "feminists", I give thumbs up to two different stories random stories I chose from a quick search on google:

https://beautybusinessjournal.com/the-iranian-women-shaping-the-future-of-online-shopping/
The Iranian Women Shaping The Future Of Online Shopping


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bijank...entrepreneurs-are-changing-the-tech-industry/
In the US:
How Persian Women Entrepreneurs Are Changing The Tech Industry


On the other hand, while I find her entertaining and occasionally effective, I don't support her political affiliations and associations:



As for fashion, this is ordinary for typical, younger, middle and upper middle class women in Iran:

 

It has tightened recently yes? I'm not up to par, so please accept my apologies it was out if line and non productive.

I do remember the thing that went back to 2015 with the refugees.

I certainly noticed some definate multi cultural differences on my last trip to Munich, 2018.

 

No they do not want equal treatment - they want power and control.

 

Thats how it starts. Then you have 50 genders and diverse toilets

 

2015 was a desaster and i will never forgive that. But i acknowledge that Merkel locked Migration down and i respect that. Doesnt mean i will vote anything but far right.

 

Iran is getting lax, no lashings.

 

Most women are content with equality.

 

Suurree they do.

Like the Taliban who tried to kill the little Pakistani girl for going to school, were they trying to save her from "nihilism" by shooting her in the head?

Whenever I hear someone going on about how the victims of theocrats are better off for not having "materialistic" things like flush toilets and no cholera epidemics or are being rescued from being"sexualized' by having to wear a head to toe black tent in 100 degree heat 24/7 it makes me want to narcissistically retch. Give me the old school repression where you just enslave, beat, torture and eventually kill me; at least I won't have to hear you go on with big ass words you wouldn't know the real meaning of if they ran up and bit your stinking ass.

 

People never really want real power and control. They may need it and this implies they deserve it so they can get something done and make everyone's lives better, but real power and control implies you are doing something and will be held accountable if it's done wrong.

What people want when they say they want power and control is self-aggrandizement and the ability to have others make up for their ineptitude while they take credit. It is seldom if ever deserved and most frequently stolen by that sorry type of human who claims it as an accident of birth, such as being born male instead of female.

 

So this woman is not going to spend 24 years in prison?

 

Hey!!! I am not supporting Taliban, ISIS or your generic Muslim woman.
I am trying to step into their shoes and imagine what they hear about
Westerners.

 

I don't know about her case specifically, but I seriously doubt it. Unless, there is evidence she worked with some subversive groups (i.e. MEK). Even then, the actual sentence will probably be 4-5 years.

 

One of the cases mentioned in the report is prominent Iranian feminist political activist Nasrin Sotoudeh, who is a lawyer. First, I should mention that when it comes to lawyers who take cases that involve so-called morality offenses, there are basically 3 types. First, the run-of-the mill lawyer who takes such cases and more or less does what you would expect from a lawyer. Second, the "broker lawyers" who are basicaIly part of a mafia with links to judges. They charge exorbitant fees which are understood would be shared with corrupt judges. Third, are lawyers who aren't known for being well connected within Iran's judiciary nor are expected to fight and win the case at hand. Their expertise is to stir attention to a case through contacts they have developed with various groups which the regime looks at with great suspicion, such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc, but also occasionally with a group this considered (and is) a treacherous terrorist cults like the MEK, which these days basically works for Israel. (They go for the highest foreign bidder and in the past have committed their dastardly deeds on behalf of, inter alia, Saddam, the Saudis, and more recently the Israelis).

You can kind of tell where the connections are based on which organization breaks stories on these cases before any official announcements are made on the issue. And some of the activists who get in trouble in Iran get in trouble precisely for this reason: their links with such groups. If it is with the MEK (aka "National Council of Resistance"), then the issue is treated seriously enough and will receive more than a slap on the wrist. If it is merely with the usual suspects (AI, HRW), it depends on how troublesome these folks are becoming and how much of the reports they feed are false and misleading as opposed to factual and intended to promote a serious defense of their clients.

 

Hopefully much less. Still, nothing was said about her doing anything more insidious than not wearing a scarf and I've never understood Iranian authorities to be shy about accusations.

I realize that Iran was one of the more Enlightened Islamic nations at one time and remnants of that are still there, but the Imams in power now are not at all among the more forward looking branches of the Pillaried Faiths