Feminist activist in Iran sentenced to 24 years in prison for removing hijab.

Who looks more comfortable?

I am trying to look beyond philosophy and just go by how people are expected to live. If any Western culture were to treat women even half as bad a muslims do routinely they would be roundly condemned out of hand and rightly so. Yet we try to "step into their shoes" and excuse behavior for which no excuse is possible, and this extends beyond just the way many muslims treat women

Look at the quotation I post in post 69. Islam can be as enlightened, modern and forward-looking as any other religion

 

It wouldn't make one look so frightened of women and wouldn't make one look so Anti-American...

 

What you are reading about the case isn't the official version, but what is being said about it from the usual suspects. What they say is usually full half truths, often total lies, and propaganda. The actual evidence in these kind of cases, even the actual accusations, are usually not reported.

Iran's clerics may or may not be as "unenlightened" as you imagine, but that has nothing to do ultimately with many of the lies that are spread to turn Iran into something it most definitely is not. Other than the hijab being mandatory (the punishment for not complying is a warning, at most being taken to the police station and made to sign a paper saying you agree to comply in the future ...), if you just forget everything you think you know about Iran, you would know more than if go to Iran with even the most "fair minded" assumptions! Iran is just NOT AT ALL how it is presented in the West. Not at all doesn't mean the truth is somewhere in the middle. In many cases, the truth is just somewhere else entirely!

 

Because eventually they won't stand for it any longer. Then YOU'LL be the ones looking for equality

 

This report from a conservative media outlet in the US at least uses some facts, and the reality in the social conditions in Iran, to bash it! And as I have said here, that reality is the opposite of what some imagine here.
https://www.newsmax.com/tarakangarlou/iran-islamic-revolution-anniversary/2019/02/11/id/902145/
The Most Threatening Damage of the 40-Year-Old Revolution in Iran

And lest you think this report is exaggerating, just look at where Iran ranks in purch,ase of cosmetic products by women, in plastic surgery, in number of call-girls/prostitutes, in drug use etc...Iran is a FAR CRY from the puritanical society some imagine!

With a population that ranks 19th in the world, Iran ranks among the top 10 in the following:

https://www.thenational.ae/arts-cul...countries-performing-plastic-surgery-1.174897
Iran leaps into world’s top 10 countries performing plastic surgery

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...largest-cosmetic-consumer-report-5533964.html
Iran is world's seventh largest cosmetic consumer: report

 

Just what are they going to do? Pout?

Not that equality hasn't already made women miserable. Just google "women unhappier" for documentation.

Men and women are different. They have different strengths and weaknesses. They need to be treated differently to maximize their potentials and their happiness.

Then there are the social dysfunctions attendant on the breakup of the nuclear family .

 

It is one of the most glaring examples of hypocrisy when the Progressive Left
will come up with all sorts of reasons why we should excuse the behavior of
Muslims. Yet Islam should be the deadly enemy of liberal, progressive Westerners.
If Islam were to take over Europe it is the liberals they will go for first.

 

It is not hypocrisy. Progressivism is a death wish. They want the West to be destroyed, perhaps subconsciously.

 

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Progressivism is based on the Principles of the Enlightenment, the same ones that America was based on from the beginning. The valuation of freedom and humanist concerns above all. Conservatism is a reaction against that, a recalling of the values of Divine Right and the old Royalism, and finally a perversion of those principles into the evil and ugly racist/fascist/theocratic views we see making such a dangerous resurgence today. There are, unfortunately, always humans who hate freedom and who will grind the human spirit underfoot if they can. Humanities proper functioning requires that we be ever vigilant against their lies and violence and stand ready to meet such with truth and respect

 

Where?

 

How did feminism give the world different genders and diverse toilets?

 

Can you rephrase?

 

So you think that any rule of a country is acceptable?

Why are the two related? What US rule means that every woman has to be part of a shootout just like the Iranian rule means that every woman has to wear head cover?

 

So you would oppose the PC culture of American universities?

 

Iran's rules on hijab are stupid, mainly because they no longer comport with the prevailing standards which would be preferred by the people in Iran -- especially in major urban centers like Tehran. Otherwise, up to now, every society has had rules on what should be covered and what can be shown uncovered. Rules on acceptable attire basically reflect prevailing societal standards and they differ in different places and even on where you are going. Not only you can't go nude, and women need to cover their breasts, in the US in public, but each place you go will have its own rules on what is accepted or not. You can't walk into a black tie dinner in your swimsuit and ultimately no one is free to ignore what is expected of them in terms of attire.

In the meantime, the problem with an overemphasis on Iran's admittedly archaic rule on Hijab has created a perception and belief regarding how Iran's society must be that is absolutely ridiculous and false. The real issues in Iranian society, other than this inconvenience that is caused by women having to wear a scarf, are simply in exactly the opposite direction than what is assumed. In a country where premarital sex is rampant, with 80% of teenagers having boyfriends with whom they have sex; where co-habitation is now increasingly a greater norm than marriage; where an overemphasis on fashion, cosmetics, plastic surgery, and many of the other things you might not assure to be so prevalent in Iran but are indeed more prevalent in Iran per capita than the US; where divorce rates are increasing at alarming rates; where drug use is very high; where the foundations of traditional culture revolving around the institution of marriage are all under assault; the idea that Iranians are living (and facing problems) which people faced a few centuries ago is absurd. Unfortunately, and regrettably, the real problems in Iranian society, besides the effects of sanctions on Iran's poorest and most vulnerable classes, are all too "modern". They are no less destructive for being so modern however!

 

I am actually all for progress and the enlightenment -- putting reason above dogma or anything else that resembles it. But the left is stuck in its own dogmas and true enlightenment seems to escape both the left and the right in America.

 

Radical Feminists are not most women.

 

Who, women or feminists?

 

The radical feminists

 

As my original posting stated, Iranian feminist Nasrin Sotoudeh has been sentenced to 148 lashes and 38 years in
prison for her actions. I wonder how the lashings are administered - I would hope not on the bare back since that
would add extra humiliation in a public punishment.

 

It is the right wing that financed Marx, Bolsheviks, and Hitler. They are the ones who want the West to be destroyed.

 

List those 50 genders and diverse toilets so that you may have some measure of credibility.

 

Lefties in the West support these persian radicals

 

righties applaud as government prosecutes these innocents for draft law violations:

https://hasbrouck.org/draft/prosecutions.html


Such sexism in this professing Christian society which claims to worship the Prince of Peace!