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Finland dumps universal basic income.

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jestsayin, Apr 25, 2018
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    commies are the dumbest mammals on planet earth.
     
    webrockk, Apr 25, 2018
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    So, a falsely-created "income" with zero economic basis, doesn't work?

    Who knew??? :laughing:
     
    Grokmaster, Apr 25, 2018
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    Poor things, now they'll have to try and support themselves.
     
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    It is an interesting article. I hope people from both ends of the political spectrum will read it.

    I think universal income is a terrible idea, right up there with our current welfare state situation. I think "free money" makes people lazy, takes away the incentive to work harder, and reduces or eliminates any sense of personal responsibility. "Free money" also must be paid for, which means another burden on the people who are working and paying taxes.

    Some highlights from the article:



    (this sounds similar to what we have here)
     
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    No more free stuff? Awww, poor babies.
     
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    Did you not read the article you linked, fail to understand what it actually said or intentionally misrepresent it for partisan political purposes? :)
     
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    Something for nothing is against nature. Even the buzzards have to work and fly high to get their next meal. The grazing animals and grazing birds have to work all day long every day to get enough to eat, especially in hard times of drought.

    But the large mammals have disappeared and continue to disappear from the earth even though they all work hard. There's nothing that impedes mammalian mankind's disappearance either. Every time a tree disappears and a slab is poured a mammal disappears.
     
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    Hey I have a great idea. After we raise babies into adults. Let's turn them back into babies again, so that they can become adults again, but without having learned a darn thing. It will be kind of like a new age Christianity (rebirth), minus the improvement.
     
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    It's a play on song lyrics. Shrug ;) They really are ending the basic income trial, so those who were in the program (I think it said there were 2000 of them?) really will be losing their "free money". They can probably keep their chicks though :p
     
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    That wasn't real socialism. ;)
     
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    Socialism is fun until you run out of other people's money.
     
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    Conservatives may have to strike a "grand bargain" with progressives to allow for some low level of universal basic income (even if it's not enough to live off of) to stay in power. Several conservative ideological strategists have been trying to tell their fellow conservatives this. Inflexibibility and complete unwillingness to make any compromise is what can send the political pendulum swinging back in the other direction. Although targeted compromise is important; do the things that will hurt you least that also happen to be things that will most be appreciated by your opponents.
     
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    Capitalism is incompatible with providing any kind of universal assistance
     
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    They had good intentions. Human nature is to pick the path of least resistance. Hard work pays off over time, but laziness pays off right now!
     
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    This is going to make a lot of my Liberal friends cry :(
     
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    Do tell!
     
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    Finland's basic income organizers correct inaccurate media reports of trial's premature death.

    Finland's social insurance agency says the country's basic income experiment is alive and well, and will be continued to its completion at the end of this year.
    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/...ia_reports_of_trials_premature_death/10177476
     
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    Its not being renewed or expanded.
    Sounds like the data is pretty clear cut.
     
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    Finns might have seen a problem with this in combination with their current immigration policies.
     
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    But capitalism produces wealth exponentially greater than other forms of economic structure. And if the people are not too highly taxed, there is usually plenty of charity to take care of all in need.
     
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    Socialism is when the government pretends to pay you and the people pretend to work.
     
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    i mean, if you mindlessly believe everything you're told to, sure, but that's not the argument for this thread
     
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    True. Perhaps it does not want to be the next Sweden.
     
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    The tax rate for most Fins is in the 60 percentile range, adding another 30 to that for basic income would basically take all their income.

    Basically they would take home more if they just quit their job and lived off the basic income instead.
     
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