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First century church may have numbered 400,000... did the majority convert to Islam?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DennisTate, Jan 17, 2015.

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Palestinian people = grandchildren of second century church, does this idea move you?

  1. Yes, I do find this idea profoundly moving.

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  2. No... I try to be completely unbiased about such issues.

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  3. This is interesting and I will research this further.

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  4. I think this could positively alter the Middle East conflict.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently some Danites and descendants of the Zeraite Jews may even have made it to Ireland if the Yair Davidiy research is accurate.

    http://hebrewnations.com/articles/16/namesakes.html

    Hebrew Celtic Namesakes by Yair Davidiy
     
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    I fail to see how this addresses the arguments I was making.
     
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    I have reason to believe that the majority of religions began with somebody having at the minimum an OOBE or even an NDE.


    Near death experiencer Kevin Williams presents a powerful case that Islam began with at the minimum an OOBE but it could have been a full fledged NDE for all I know?!

    http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html

    Near-Death Experiences of Muslims


     
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    How is this a stronger case than any other? The text even says that Mohammed's enemies said that they wouldn't believe him unless he travelled to heaven and brought back a book. This introduces the much more believable idea that they just put together whatever they were lead to believe would convince people.
     
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    I don't remember that.. Is that the night flight?
     
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    It's in the text Dennis referred to:
     
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    That may perhaps be why so many of these people who experience OOBE or NDE are often given a glimpse of the future that they would be very unlikely to just be able to figure out on their own?


    An age in which it will be impossible to find people willing to accept charity..... .seems hard to visualize at this time doesn't it?


    (Full quotation from an Islamic website is in post #1 here):

    http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...-peace-deal-between-jordan-israel-coming.html

    Near death experiencer shown peace deal between Jordan and Israel is coming.

    I read both of Dannion Brinkley's books about his two near death experiences back in the '90's.


    ……



    Dannion Brinkley:
    "The country of Jordan was changing color" could mean that the deserts were turning green. There is an ancient Islamic prophecy that in the latter days… the deserts of the Islamic nations would be turned green.
     
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    I'm not seeing that the examples you give are showing any of that. You would have to provide a much more elaborate explanation of how unlikely things are and so forth.
     
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    Once I began to study NDE accounts back in 1990 it wasn't long before I was led into many other branches of the paranormal.

    Glimpses of a future can be given to a significant percentage of volunteers by hypnotizing them…… regressing them into what they perceive as past lives….. and then progressing them into what they perceive as a future.

    This type of research made little sense to me at first but after about seven or eight years it finally hit me that this research was anecdotal evidence for non- linear time.

    This stuff might be a good antidote for some of those who are most obsessed with some sort of "Armageddon?"


    http://dwij.org/forum/future_link/future7.htm

    ……

    There is an answer for the seeming disparity between what people glimpse in a future with what has been our reality. Those glimpses of the future are meant to inspire us to make positive changes in the way that we think and live and approach others.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...2000-election-but-negates-global-dimming.html
    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming….

    ……..
    Could a win by Mr. Al Gore in 2000 have led to America being 15% submerged under the oceans by January 1, 2013?

    Time does look like a menorah....... or tree with branches and roots... … and is not confined to being a straight line...…

    In theory....... Mr. Gore's policy could have ended up greatly decreasing the Global Dimming Effect..... at the same time that it might do little to reduce a general Global Warming trend.... which could lead to rapid warming.....and of course increased cracking and sliding on the land based Greenland Ice Pack.... the world's glaciers and the outer regions of Antarctica......

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Bush may have deliberately allowed somewhat bad policy to continue...… because they probably had been told that the factors that increase Global Dimming..... do tend to mask Global Warming.... .which could mean within five decades we may know that that they may have had a basically good idea..... in comparison to worst possible alternative.....??????!!!

    http://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

     
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    I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D's books during the 1990's

    Her second book goes into what people report seeing and feeling between a past life......

    and their next incarnation........

    EAch of us has a role in mind as we choose our parents .....
    and family in our future lifetime.......

    Incarnating as a Palestinian at this time......
    is a truly courageous act.........

    and sets somebody up to play out an amazing role in life.......
     
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    Interesting!

    Thank you for those links.
     
    DennisTate, Jun 22, 2016
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    Ben Gurion also said the Palestinians were descendants of Jewish farmers and he considered them traitors for converting to Christianity and then to Islam.
     
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    "We are of the same race and blood, and cooperation will bring great prosperity to the land," wrote Emir Faisal to Felix Frankfurter in 1917.

    Faisal was known for his affinity to the Zionists who had begun streaming to the Holy Land; in 1919, he signed a cooperation agreement with Chaim Weizmann, to whom he wrote that he was "mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people."

    But Faisal's proclamations of kinship with the Jews were more than lip service to a commonly held belief, says Tsvi Misinai, who knows perhaps more about the origins of the modern Palestinians than anyone.

    "Faisal's paternal line was Hashemite," he says, "meaning he was directly descended from Muhammad. But the mother of his maternal grandfather, King On, was descended from a family of forced Jewish converts to Islam that immigrated to the east bank of the Jordan, later returning to one of the villages west of the Jordan.

    Unlike today, when Faisal was growing up, his grandfather's mother's Jewish origin was known, and they made no great effort to hide it. And what ......

    continued

    http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/The-lost-Palestinian-Jews
     
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    Maybe it is because I used to be a Catholic and so I am biased or maybe it is for some other reason but as far as I know, Messianic Judaism as such did not exist back then. The Catholic Church and some other sects such as Gnosticism did exist back then though.
     
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    Actually... the Messianic Jewish movement was quite strong and
    may have had as many as 400,000 members within the Roman Province of Judaea
    alone by the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt.


    Act 21:20
    The Roman Catholic Movement didn't really come on the scene for another century or two.......

    and it may well have been quite different from First Century Messianic Judaism.......

    they added the belief in a Virgin Birth... .that is highly offensive to Rabbinic Jews.....
    it makes Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus appear like a human alien hybrid like as is mentioned
    in Genesis 6. (Paul does not mention the Virgin Birth idea even once).

    And they also may have gotten rid of the belief in reincarnation in some form that was common among
    Jews of that time period.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...hy-reincarnation-edited-out-christianity.html


    Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?
    On Saturday I began a Facebook group entitled Barbro Karlen and Anne Frank after one of the most famous cases of a child remembering a past life.

    Yesterday I got the most logical explanation I have ever read as to why reincarnation may have been edited out of the Christian scriptures:


    Bruce F. MacDonald:
    http://www.thomastwin.com/
     
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    Probably not because Judea never had a population that large.
     
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    I am ninety percent certain that the statistics that you
    have came to believe are in error.... .and are biased.

    Of course I could be wrong..... but that is my rather strong suspicion.



    CFP Canada Free Press - a Conservative Free Press

    June 25 at 11:09am
    .


    http://canadafreepress.com/article/protected-christians-in-arab-lands

    Protected-Christians in Arab lands


     
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    I have got to add this excellent link to this discussion.... so that I can easily find this later on.

    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.ca
    Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
    One-stop blog on Jews from Arab and Muslim Countries and the Middle East's forgotten Jewish refugees, updated daily
     
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    This article helps to explain why Christians and Jews living in the Islamic nations would be tempted to
    convert to Islam.

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-parameters-of-discussion-michael.html
     
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    When the Jewish people embrace the truth about
    past lives....... not only past lives that were positive or similar to
    how they are in this lifetime... .but even past lives where they may
    have volunteered to play the role of the villain......
    a major step will have been taken toward peace on earth.
     
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    Jews being in Egypt, Damascus, Syria, Iran, and Iraq makes sense because those are Middle Eastern areas where Middle Eastern Jews would have had an easier time living in due to language and cultural reasons. But there is no damn way a bunch of dark skinned Middle Eastern Jews would choose Germany or Ireland to call their homeland. There is ZERO evidence of a valid diaspora of Jews into Europe from the Middle East. The white Jews are mostly a mix of European and Khazarian tribes who moved northwest into Europe after the Khazar kingdom fell.
     
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    I read "Lost Israelite Identity" back in the 1990's
    you might be surprised how far the lost tribes of Israel probably
    wandered.........

    http://www.britam.org/

    For those of you who like listening to a lecture in the background while reading or writing......


    https://www.youtube.com/user/yairdavidiy
     
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