FISA Judges Have Been Informed - What Are They Doing????

"...in testimony last summer to congressional investigators"... Library of Congress contains the testimony Orr gave. You can purchase the document through a FOIA request.

You may not find the testimony in in the Democratic Underground and maybe not even filtered sources like CNN Fake news.

But YOU are in luck...
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More important, Mr. Ohr told this team the information came from the Clinton camp and warned that it was likely biased, certainly unproven. “When I provided [the Steele information] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information,” he testified. “I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to—who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware.”

Mr. Ohr testified that he sat down with dossier author Christopher Steele on July 30, 2016, and received salacious information the opposition researcher had compiled on Mr. Trump. Mr. Ohr immediately took that to the FBI’s then-Deputy Director Andy McCabe and lawyer Lisa Page. In August he took it to Peter Strzok, the bureau’s lead investigator. In the same month, Mr. Ohr believes, he briefed senior personnel in the Justice Department’s criminal division: Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz, lawyer Zainab Ahmad and fraud unit head Andrew Weissman. The last two now work for special counsel Robert Mueller.

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.​

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The Wall Street Journal Published this testimony … a reputable SOURCE But you are not looking for the truth are you? ​

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1229736/pg1
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What sound does a conspiracy theory make when it dies?

The third point, and the crux of McCarthy’s argument, is that the FBI did not properly “verify” the information in the application, which is a technical requirement in a FISA application. McCarthy claims that the FBI was not permitted to rely solely on hearsay information provided by Steele, its source of information, but rather was required to test the credibility of, and reliance on, each sub-source who gave information to Steele. But that is simply not what is required in FISA applications (or criminal wiretap applications), and in particular under the Woods Procedures that govern FISA applications. Under FISA, “verification” simply requires both the FBI and lawyers in the Department of Justice to verify that the facts as set forth in the affidavit are supported by evidence obtained as part of the investigation. That does not mean, however, that the FBI is required, for example, to travel to Russia to interview a sub-source to confirm that the sub-source actually did tell Steele what Steele reported to the FBI. That, of course, almost certainly would not be possible. It is therefore not surprising that McCarthy cites no authority for his assertion that such a step is required.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-w...eele-dossier-for-the-carter-page-fisa-warrant

 

Ask Chris Steele

 

Dossier = Fruit of the Poisonous Tree: Illegally Obtained Evidence

 

My opinion? The FISA judges are afraid that if they pursue this that it will eventually be shown that they have just been a rubber stamp for 99.9% of everything brought before them.

 

This from Bruce Ohr's testimony, it got so bad the Dems wanted a recess and then they came back from recess and he started dropping more truth bombs so they had to recess again. So no it's not a conspiracy. Friendly journalists being the dailybeast.

Mr. Ohr testified that he sat down with dossier author Christopher Steele on July 30, 2016, and received salacious information the opposition researcher had compiled on Mr. Trump. Mr. Ohr immediately took that to the FBI’s then-Deputy Director Andy McCabe and lawyer Lisa Page. In August he took it to Peter Strzok, the bureau’s lead investigator. In the same month, Mr. Ohr believes, he briefed senior personnel in the Justice Department’s criminal division: Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz, lawyer Zainab Ahmad and fraud unit head Andrew Weissman. The last two now work for special counsel Robert Mueller.

More important, Mr. Ohr told this team the information came from the Clinton camp and warned that it was likely biased, certainly unproven.

“When I provided [the Steele information] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information,” he testified.

“I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to—who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware.”

He said he told them that Mr. Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected,” and that his own wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS, which compiled the dossier. He confirmed sounding all these warnings before the FBI filed its October application for a surveillance warrant against Carter Page. We broke some of this in August, though the transcript provides new detail.

The FBI and Justice Department have gone to extraordinary lengths to muddy these details, with cover from Democrats and friendly journalists.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...arned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

 

Jeez, if someone cooked up some completely bogus baseless nonsense about you and a prosecutor took it to court and the judge threw you in jail and you'd be expected to disprove the bogus accusations without prosecutor having to prove their veracity you'd immediately understand the utter absurdity, idiocy and totalitarian nature of "your logic". Duh

 

The real question is what has been verified? Nearly nothing.

 

Ohr practically begged them not to use it and now we find out yesterday former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe examined “line-by-line” the faulty warrant applications to spy on Trump presidential campaign adviser Carter Page.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gre...department-misconduct-in-effort-to-hurt-trump

 

Yates knew. None of this “I just rubber stamped it without reading it fully” BS. And as acting Attorney General, to whom did Ms. Yates report to DIRECTLY?

I will spell it out plain for the world to see:

Barack Hussein Obama, as a matter of protocol against all his opponents during his entire presidency, or as revenge for the ‘birther’ issue, AND as a hopeful safeguard to his miserable legacy of failure - initiated, approved, and then executed a sophisticated spying and smearing campaign against first opposition candidate Trump, the President elect Trump, and now finally President Trump. He used the broad powers of BOTH the US and FOREIGN intelligence agencies, the US judicial and FISC court, as well as foreign SPIES, to try and infiltrate, and plant evidence on Trump or ANY of his associates that could LEAD to Trump.

At first this was meant to merely smear Trump enough so that he could not win. Then when Trump did win, it morphed into an “insurance policy” to OUST Trump before he became entrenched and could learn the full depth of their TREASONOUS actions. Now, Obama, the MSM, and senior members of both Obama’s admin AND Congress, on BOTH sides of the aisle, are trying desperately to cover this up and implicate ANYONE in Trumps family, friends, business, campaign, or administration that could lead either to Trump resigning out of fear for his family OR being removed because of “process crimes” and lies to save the Cabal from justice.

This has morphed from a smear campaign against a candidate to a full on Coup de tat against a duly elected President. The more they try and stall, redact, or cover up with lies, innuendo, deceit, and using Mueller to “strong arm” “witnesses” to get ANY dirt on Trump, the WORSE this becomes and the BIGGER the crimes.

ALL the fault will ultimately lie with ONE person, and they are doing ANYTHING to prevent that fact from reaching the American people.

 

It's a lot of piss in a big chamber pot with other admixture for more smell.

 

How do you know that the memo used wasn't validated? You know that Carter Page did go to Russia and had a side meeting with Russian intelligence officials, right?

 

No it has to be proven to be proven and accepted. Burden of proof is on the accuser. We are innocent until proven guilty not the otherway around. So what allegations in the dossier have been proven and by whom?

 

Progressed to what? What crimes that were committed before the investigation has it found?

 

Wouldn't a better question be "what part of the dossier has been proved?"

 

What side meeting with Russian intellegence officials?

"I had a very brief hello to a couple of people," Page said. "That was it."

 

1. Get Barr confirmed
2. Appoint another Special Counsel for everything Mueller has turned a blind eye to
3. Write your congress people (just added that for some levity)

 

Are you suggesting that the crimes committed were a direct result of the investigation?

 

Indeed. There are no crimes charged within the time frame of before the investigation began. All of the charges are process crimes. These are, of course, crimes -- but all subsequent to the beginning of the investigation, nothing prior to that.

 

Why are you inspired to believe such horseshit? There was no abuse. That is a smokescreen bullshit "fruit of the poison tree" defense.

The dossier wasn't the primary piece of evidence in the FISA warrant renewal. You get that right - RENEWAL.
The dossier was identified was a "commissioned" report from the clinton campaign in the application.

 

The crimes for which he has been charged are process crimes which would not have occurred were there not investigation. Is that that difficult for you to grasp?

 

According to Timothy Edgar, a top privacy lawyer at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Council under Bush and Obama, it’s not quite as simple as the FISC rubber stamping nearly every application the government puts in front of it.

"The reason so many orders are approved, he said, is that the Justice Department office that manages the process vets the applications rigorously… o getting the order approved by the Justice Department lawyers is perhaps the biggest hurdle to approval. “The culture of that office is very reluctant to get a denial,”.

Still, the entire process is closed. The FISC court hears evidence for surveillance applications presented solely by the Department of Justice. The court does not have to release its opinions or any information regarding such hearings.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2013/06/fisa-court-nsa-spying-opinion-reject-request/

So, if the DOJ is doing most of the vetting.

and If the heads of the DOJ and FBI are dirty, the whole process is flawed.

Trump is actually doing something about it:

"The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court last year denied 26 applications in full and 50 applications in part, the director of the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts wrote in a report sent to lawmakers.

Established by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978, the court rejected a combined total of only 21 applications in the roughly 40 years it existed before Mr. Trump’s inauguration, earning it a reputation over the decades as a “rubber stamp” court that rarely refuses to let authorities secretly surveil individuals in the U.S. accused of being spies or terrorists."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/26/fisa-court-denied-more-surveillance-warrants-2017-/

 

You don’t have to prove your evidence to get a warrant, just cause. If you had proof you wouldn’t need a search warrant, you’d need an arrest warrant

 

So it’s ok to lie to the fbi. Cool story.

 

Carter page is not the president