FISA Judges Have Been Informed - What Are They Doing????

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  1. MickAtNight

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    Correct. But with a FISA warrant they can go back and look at old communications. Like we said, you lefties need to educate yourselves. You keep repeating this already debunked left wing propaganda.
     
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    Please post that information....
     
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    A MAJOR part. They likely wouldn't have gotten the warrant without it. And none of the collusion allegations have ever been proven. In fact, several things like the claim Cohen traveled to Prague to meet with the Rusdians have been disproven.
     
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    Is your tinfoil on a little tight this morning? I have seen no reason to conclude there was some deep state conspiracy against the orange buffoon in 2016.
     
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    Oh a MAJOR part, huh? Why don't you tell us how you know they wouldn't have gotten the warrant. LOL! Are you having drink with one of the judges?
     
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    "In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion. (As mentioned at links above—here and here—analysts working national-security surveillance without a targeted warrant can routinely go back for an 18-month haul.) Links from the past can then be exploited going forward."

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/256333/fisas-license-to-hop
     
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    Are you suggesting the current crop is too?
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    They can, according to you?
    And there’s no evidence they did anyway.
     
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    That’s generous, thanking him for some site nobody ever heard of.
     
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    Perhaps. Who exactly might you be referring to?
     
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    You do recall Page was a "person of interest" and involved in a case of russian espionage where the spies managed to flee before arrest? Seems he was a typical russian "useful idiot" (a technical designation in the intell world).
    So he was already under suspicion and THEN he lied about additional contacts with Russians.

    So counterintell operations had legitimate reasons for watching Page, PRIOR to his involvement with a presidential campaign, which sure as hell warranted further "observation".

    Facts and due diligence are not your friend.
     
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    Seems the current crop are still pursuing the russian hoax investigation started by those "deep state butt hurt dems" even if some were life long republicans.
     
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    There are currently over 113,000 DOJ employees, not including a considerable amount of contract employees. They include the courts and all Federal law enforcement agencies. Most are civil servants and not appointed by any particular administration, eg., they are non-merit employees. It is my understanding that the majority do not affiliate with the republican party. I also believe it would be reasonable to assume that the majority have been employed longer than the 2 years President Trump has been in office.

    While there is obviously some turn over, only a few high profile appointee's have been fired for cause or forced to retire. There are I am sure some republicans as well as some democrats and independents that do not support Trump. Comey and a few other grandstanders may have switched parties but I doubt that is true of most. The terms "deep-state" "shadow government" "swamp" have different meanings to describe groups this administration would like to see gone.
    Hoax and witch hunt are the same terms used by previous administrations. They are polite names. My guess is behind closed doors both Clinton(s) and Trump use stronger language. In the end, it is all politics and not what they did but what can be proven. Unless of course they are being framed.
     
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    Please follow along.

    NOT VERIFIED.

    You cannot include it on a FISA Application unless it is verified. When you sign application like: Comey, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Yates, and others did... you are making the legal claim that it has been verified and they ALL knew it had not.

    How anyone can be alright with the incredible powers of a FISA Court being wielding on unverified information is troubling, but I guess today's Leftists are 100% cool with abusive authoritarian government.
     
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    It's alright for the "little people". We get it Mr. Elite. Do you realize how scummy your post is.

    It's wrong and illegal no matter who they are going after. The target, by the way, was Trump obviously.
     
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    Bruce Ohr told the DoJ / FBI that they had little chance of approval without it. But, even that is a moot point.

    YOU CANNOT INCLUDE IT UNLESS IT IS VERIFIED.
     
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    We can only hope we have not lost our Justice system to authoritarians. But, yes... you have a valid path.
     
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    Here's a nice red flag for ya....The Judge that approved the FISA warrant was appointed in 1991 by George HW Bush. Is it possible Jeb colluded with Hillary to take down Trump after losing miserably in the primary?
     
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    I don't want to go that far yet. But, if these judges that accepted these FISA Applications with the dossier attached don't do something about it, then your theory may be valid to me.

    This abuse is too great for Americans, regardless of party, to turn a blind eye.
     
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    Our government supposedly assures that there are checks and balances. Justice? That depends on the case and the players.
     
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    Your left wing fake news sources: "The dossier is true and it was verified before it was used to spy!"

    And now the truth from James Comey's Congressional testimony last month:

    "Former FBI Director James Comey admitted that the Bureau did not verify allegations in the Steele dossier before it was cited as grounds for snooping on a former Trump adviser in 2016.

    The admission came in closed-door testimonybefore congressional investigators that was made public Saturday evening."

    https://nypost.com/2018/12/08/comey-claimed-ignorance-about-warrant-at-house-hearing/

    It's got to suck being a leftie....but you really have no one to blame but yourself. We keep showing you that your left wing propaganda and fake news is not real but you keep going back to it. You bring up the embarrassment and frustration on yourself. You must be a glutton for punishment!

    Nonsense indeed! Lulz
     
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    First of all, Page was cleared of any wrongdoing in 2013 when the Russians referred to him as an "idiot". That's the reason the initial FISA application as part of the Trump campaign in June 2016 was denied. The FBI provided no new rationale to spy on him since their previous efforts in 2013 because the original 2013 warrant had fallen apart. After the FBI received the phony Steel dossier they included that in subsequent applications as the "bulk" of the application and those subsequent applications were all approved. Trump haters Bruce Ohr, Sally Moyer, and Andrew McCabe have all testified to such.

    And a leftie telling others about "facts and due diligence" is beyond hilarious. Haven't you received enough beatdowns from your own fake left wing media to finally stop? Apparently not. LOL.
     
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    What Iefties have tried to convince normal thinking people on this forum. First, when Woods Procedures state the dossier must be verified that's not really what it means. It means someone else called Steele and Steele told him the same story he told the first guy. Second, that the dossier was really corroborated because some leftie blog cited things that were true in the dossier that were public knowledge before Steele wrote the bogus thing. That's akin to predicting Donald Trump would win the Presidential election on November 10, 2016 and then trying to claim I was good with predictions. ROFL. Third, that FBI Congressional testimony stating the dossier was unverified really didn't happen. Comeys, McCabe's, Ohr's, Moyer's testimonies are all fake. Fourth, stating spying on Page and intercepting his communications with others in the campaign really wasn't about the campaign. Hell, they didn't even know who Donald Trump was. Fifth.....ahh, forget it. We could go on all day.

    Liberalism is a mental illness. No other explanation.
     
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