"Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that,"

Here is how the planning of the Bush administration for the Iraq war went:

"Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that,"

That's one of the famous Rumsfeld quotes. Obviously, they thought the war would be a cakewalk and had no plan for what would happen after the 5 months were over.

Now, the funny thing is that the same people who voted for these clowns are now attacking Biden and asking him to step down. Of course, the Afghanistan withdrawal is not going well, some of it may be cause by lack of anticipation (planning). I have no problem criticizing Biden for that. The buck stops with him.

However, the hypocrisy of those who now call for Biden's head is astounding. Back then, one was unpatriotic when daring to criticize the president. The war hawks claimed that being anti-war was anti-American, and that any criticism of the commander in chief was helping the enemy.

Now, what happened? Apparently, they couldn't even wait until the bodies were cold to politicize the tragic terror attack and score political points by trotting out their old "Biden is demented" again, which now has morphed to "Biden is incompetent". Making political hay out of dead service members. That seems to be the new strategy of the Trump party. So they can fly their f Biden flags and put their "Americans died and Biden lied" bumper stickers on.

Me, I am all for being able to criticize the president, whether in a time of war/crisis or not. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who change their opinion 180o, depending on whether it is their guy in the WH or not.

 

Biden wants to withdraw from Afghanistan. We all support that goal. But there's a right way and a wrong way. Giving away a kill list of US civilians and Afghani allies is the wrong way. Letting the Taliban take over before evacuation is complete is the wrong way.

 

This is a bizarre post. The Bush/Rumsfeld reference has no relevance to our current situation.

"Now, the funny thing is that the same people who voted for these clowns are now attacking Biden and asking him to step down. " What does voting for those "clowns" have to do with asking Biden to step down?

You seem to be scrambling to find some partisan hypocrisy here where it doesn't exist. I get that you want to defend your guy, but this post is an embarrassment. My suggestion is that you copy/paste from the professionals who day in and day out provide talking points to the Democrats. You don't really have the chops.

 

NEWSFLASH:

"High partisan poster critisizes other highly partisan posters for being highly partisaned."

Just another day at food ole PF.

 

This is a prime example of how much of a **** up this whole thing is: https://theintercept.com/2021/08/17/afghanistan-taliban-military-biometrics/

I've seen good explanations for why we left other equipment, vehicles, and weapons behind for the Afghan military, but there is no excuse for this kind of security lapse. Not only did we not do enough to help the folks who helped us before we started the final withdrawal, we basically left tools behind that the Taliban can use to figure out who helped us. I don't know why anyone would willingly work with us in the future when we bungle something this badly.

 

Hey, I am proud that I don't follow Dem talking points. Maybe you should try the same thing by switching off Fox.

In any case, I realize that Republicans don't want to talk about who got us into this situation and how we got there, but this is highly relevant. If Bush and co would actually have had a plan to get us out, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today. Now, did the guy who got us into this mess, and who you most likely voted for and defended at the time, make mistakes and plan poorly? Did that cause thousand of American casualties? Yes or no?

Over and over again, Dems have to clean up Republican's messes, just like Obama did with GWB's great recession. Mishaps happen during this cleanup. Of course, Republicans never want to talk about who caused the mess. Why is that? Maybe look at yourself before you call others an embarrassment. BTW: I can criticize Biden, as I did in the above post. Can you do the same for your leaders?

 

The actual war lasted maybe two weeks. Or did you forget that? All the rest of the time was subduing a population that didn't like having to change. Try whitewashing elsewhere.

 

QN, you're using the wrong formula. I am pasting it below for your reference. Hope this helps!


Any action taken by a government official that inherited outstanding deadlines and/or agreements put in place by their predecessor with the same letter behind their name = Always right.

Any action taken by a government official that inherited outstanding deadlines and/or agreements put in place by their predecessor with a different letter behind their name = Always wrong.

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Any action taken by a government official that has the same letter of the American alphabet behind their name = completely infallible (although the evidence shows the condition is more prevalent in conservatives).

Any action taken by a government official that has a different letter of the American alphabet behind their name = an automatic impeachable offense and possibly include civil and criminal charges up to and including the death penalty.

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Any election recount, audit, investigation, report, statement, etc. that does not support Orange Jesus' Big Lie = 0

Any election, recount, audit, investigation, report, statement, etc. that supports Orange Jesus' Big Lie = starts the count.

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Further...any criminal acts made by, with or on behalf of Orange Jesus = should equal NO prosecution

Any civil or criminals acts, even jaywalking, done by any non-Orange Jesus supporter = No statute of limitations and the death penalty.

 

So you post this....

...and then you post this Dem talking point:

You make it too easy.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

LMAO.

Wait.

Are you ****ing serious?

 

ButTrumpism not working out, so we're now regressing even further back to ButBushism?

 

Trump didn't start this war. Biden didn't start this war. Bush did. Therefore, this is very relevant. Why don't you want to talk about it? Why don't you want to own it? Didn't you vote for him?

If one thing we should have learned from this mess is that occupying foreign nations doesn't work. However, instead of trying to learn from this, people rather want to shut out history and continue the Biden bashing. I understand, it is much easier than to actually show introspection.

 

The war lasted two weeks? That must be news to anyone. But, I realize Republicans are very good at rewriting history.

 

The Biden bashing, for the most part, is about his botching the exit plans. I get it, though, anyone but Biden's fault, lol.

 

Then Senator Obama claimed that Afghanistan was the war we should be fighting. I'll rest my case with that one simple statement alone. The Obama-Biden team(2008-2016) and (2020-?) is simply not up for the task.

 

gen hood must have been senile, letting the yankees take atlanta before evacuation was complete was the wrong way. maybe history will give gen sherman a little credit?

 

right. The financial collapse that had its roots during the Clinton Administration is Bush’s fault.

I’ll bet operation warp speed which has its roots under Trump you give to Biden’s credit. Whatever’s politically convenient eh?

And Obama wasn’t born in 08. He had every opportunity to develop his own plan of getting us out of Afghanistan and follow through on it. He doubled down on Bush’s actions, because Afghanistan, according to Democrats themselves, was the just war. So he surged the heck out of it.

kinda like Biden wasn’t born in 2020.

A partisan accusing others of being partisan while displaying blatantly his own partisanship yet blissfully unaware of it. That’s some rich stuff right there.

 

I'm starting to get the pattern now.

Bush's fault.
Not Obama's fault.
Trump's fault.
Not Biden's fault.

Yawn.

 

Did you even read my opening post?

"Of course, the Afghanistan withdrawal is not going well, some of it may be cause by lack of anticipation (planning). I have no problem criticizing Biden for that. The buck stops with him."

Now, that's probably more criticism than your side can ever muster for Trump and GWB. However, I see that you all want to avoid talking about Bush. There must be a reason for that. Care to enlighten me?

 

You can't just brush over Treason with a one sentence criticism.

"I have no problem criticizing Aldrich Ames for what he did, but ..." proceed to defend his actions

 

Treason? How did we all of a sudden get to treason? Can you show your evidence? Looks like RW media, where this is probably coming from, are getting more hyperbolic every day. Seems like they really are having a field day making political hay out of this terror attack.

 

Instead of defendinig their man, the left prefers to deflect to a republican. Usually it is Trump but now it is Bush. Who's next? Eisenhower?

 

This is Stuttgart logic, imo.

 

I criticize my "leaders" all the time. That wasn't the issue. The issue was a failed attempt to go all the way back to the Bush administration (and skipping over 8 years of the Obama administration) to somehow blame him for Biden's current screw up. There is so much you can blame Bush for, but not for this. The idea that Bush is responsible for Biden shutting down Bagram first thing (which is the source of our evacuation failures) is absurd.

Sometimes you just need to be mature and accept the responsibility of your side. Your guys are in charge; they are running the government, so look there first.

 

I've stated my criticism of the war here, but not in this thread. But sure. You only go to war when you absolutely need to destroy the enemy completely. Anything short of that, and you shouldn't send in troops to a 20-year "war". For harboring Al Queda and Osama, sure, a military action was warranted, and warranted in a flavor stronger than launching some cruise missiles from offshore. So Bush gets a pass for a certain period of time, but certainly not for two terms. I doubt we let our military function as a military is supposed to function - kill people and break things.

Dealing with Islamic cultures has been a bane of our existence, and much of Western civilization's existence, since long before our founding.