Flat Earth is Going "Mainstream"!

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    Interestingly, there have been several scientific experiments which have proven Heliocentricity false. As with other scientific truths which have been hidden and withheld from the public, these experiments are never discussed in the mainstream media. Not one to make statements without providing supporting evidence, here are some examples of said experiments.

    [The following is excerpted from The Basic Scientific Arguments for Geocentricity by Malcolm Bowden.]

    Most scientists know about the Michelson-Morely experiment – that failed to detect any movement of the earth round the sun. This had to be overcome so the Fitzgerald-Lorentz shortening of the apparatus was proposed, and eventually the paradoxical Relativity Theory was invented by Einstein to overcome this problem. However, there are three other experiments that have been deliberately ignored by universities because they support geocentricity

    (a) The Michelson-Gale experiment (Reference – Astrophysical Journal 1925 v 61 pp 140-5) – This detected the aether passing the surface of the earth with an accuracy of 2% of the speed of the daily rotation of the earth! Thus, the Michelson-Morely experiment detected no movement of the earth around the sun, yet the Michelson-Gale experiment measured the earth’s rotation (or the aether’s rotation around the earth!) to within 2%! This surely speaks volumes for geocentricity.

    (b) “Airey’s failure” (Reference – Proc. Roy. Soc. London v 20 p 35) – Telescopes have to be very slightly tilted to get the starlight going down the axis of the tube because of the earth’s “speed around the sun”. Airey filled a telescope with water that greatly slowed down the speed of the light inside the telescope and found that he did not have to change the angle of the telescope. This showed that the starlight was already coming in at the correct angle so that no change was needed. This demonstrated that it was the stars moving relative to a stationary earth and not the fast orbiting earth moving relative to the comparatively stationary stars. If it was the telescope moving he would have had to change the angle. [emphasis BiblicalScholarship.net]

    (c) The Sagnac experiment (Reference – Comptes Rendus 1913 v157 p 708-710 and 1410-3) – Sagnac rotated a table complete with light and mirrors with the light being passed in opposite directions around the table between the mirrors. He detected the movement of the table by the movement of the interference fringes on the target where they were recombined. This proved that there IS an aether that the light has to pass through and this completely destroys Einstein’s theory of Relativity that says there is no aether. It is for this reason that this experiment is completely ignored by scientists. More recently Kantor has found the same result with similar apparatus.

    All these experiments are never taught at universities, so consequently, scientists, including most Christian creationists, are ignorant of this evidence for geocentricity.

    As I mentioned above, if such evidence exists that at the very least deserves further consideration, what would be the purpose for withholding this information from the public?

    From all indications, there appears to have been and continues to be a group of “scientists” who (have) decided that their heliocentric pronouncements would/will be proved and accepted. They’ve conducted various experiments to prove that the earth moves around the sun. Unsurprisingly, these experiments (have) FAILED–and they knew/know it–but they covered this information up. In their corrupt minds, Heliocentrism had/has to disprove the Bible, no matter what the cost–so instead of being scientific and accepting that the Earth does not move, they decided/decide to hold the truth in unrighteousness. They suppressed/suppress the truth like any liar would. False science could not and can not prove the motion of the earth because it does not move. It is not a planet (“wanderer”). Those early false scientists are the authors of the textbooks that today’s “scientists” and authors consult. The students who have learned from them are worse off than they are (Matthew 23:15) because these students actually believe the Earth moves whereas the original false scientists knew that they were wrong.

    For anyone reading this, I realize that these are very strong claims to make. I realize that most will simply dismiss these ideas as barbaric and cave-man “ish.” Only a troglodyte would subscribe to the idea that the sun and stars revolve around a stationary earth, right?

    Well, we’re going to examine this issue in more detail over the next several blog entries.

    Before dismissing this blog all together, I encourage you to follow along with an open mind. Reserve judgement and when I have presented all of the facts DECIDE FOR YOURSELF.

    Over the next few entries, I will look at the following questions:
    1) Why does the Earth seem motionless?
    2) Why do the Sun and Moon appear to be the same size?
    3) Why do the Sun, Moon, and Stars all appear to revolve around a stationary Earth?
    4) Why do we never see the rotation of the Moon?
    5) Why do the stars appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere?
    6) Why can’t I simply hover in a helicopter and wait for the Earth’s rotation to bring my destination to me?
    Within this question, there are other related questions:
    If the atmosphere is magically velcroed to the Earth and constantly rotates from West to East along with it:

    A) How is it that clouds, wind and weather patterns often travel in opposing directions simultaneously?

    B) Why don’t East to West traveling planes or projectiles encounter increased resistance?

    C) Why can I feel the slightest Westward breeze but not the Earth’s supposed 1,000 mph Eastward spin?

    D) If gravitational force is so great to pull the atmosphere together with the Earth then how come little birds and bugs are able to fly?

    7) How do Heliocentricist’s account for the Allais Effect and the results of Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy’s Failure, Sagnac and Kantors experiments proving the aether and a fixed Earth?

    1) Why do we never see the rotation of the Moon?

    Geocentric View: Because it doesn’t rotate.

    Heliocentric View: Both the Moon and the Earth are actually rotating but they are doing so in such a way that from our perspective it seems that neither are. The Earth is spinning East to West at 1,000 mph while orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph. The Moon is spinning West to East at 10.3 mph while orbiting the Earth at 2,288 mph. These motions/speeds perfectly cancel out so that the Moon always only shows us one side.

    “They want you to believe that the Moon’s rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that’s why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious – that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon’s speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don’t think there is one person in many, many thousands – regardless of education – who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon’s observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses.” -Marshall Hall

    “The Moon presented a special math problem for the construction of the heliocentricity model. The only way to make the Moon fit in with the other assumptions was to reverse its direction from that of what everyone who has ever lived has seen it go. The math model couldn’t just stop the Moon like it did the Sun, that wouldn’t work. And it couldn’t let it continue to go East to West as we see it go, either at the same speed or at a different speed. The only option was to reverse its observed East to West direction and change its speed from about 64,000 miles an hour to about 2,200 miles an hour. This reversal along with the change in speed were unavoidable assumptions that needed to be adopted if the model was to have a chance of mimicking reality.” -Bernard Brauer

    2) Why do the stars appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere?

    GC: Because they are.

    HC: The stars only appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere because they are so incredibly far away. Even after hundreds of millions of miles of our (supposed) orbit around the Sun, the stars appear in the exact same positions at the exact same meridian times because they are many “light-years” away. A light-year is approximately 6 TRILLION miles away and that is why they falsely seem fixed from our faulty perspective.

    “Take two carefully-bored metallic tubes, not less than six feet in length, and place them one yard asunder, on the opposite sides of a wooden frame, or a solid block of wood or stone: so adjust them that their centres or axes of vision shall be perfectly parallel to each other. Now, direct them to the plane of some notable fixed star, a few seconds previous to its meridian time. Let an observer be stationed at each tube and the moment the star appears in the first tube let a loud knock or other signal be given, to be repeated by the observer at the second tube when he first sees the same star. A distinct period of time will elapse between the signals given. The signals will follow each other in very rapid succession, but still, the time between is sufficient to show that the same star is not visible at the same moment by two parallel lines of sight when only one yard asunder. A slight inclination of the second tube towards the first tube would be required for the star to be seen through both tubes at the same instant. Let the tubes remain in their position for six months; at the end of which time the same observation or experiment will produce the same results–the star will be visible at the same meridian time, without the slightest alteration being required in the direction of the tubes: from which it is concluded that if the earth had moved one single yard in an orbit through space, there would at least be observed the slight inclination of the tube which the difference in position of one yard had previously required. But as no such difference in the direction of the tube is required, the conclusion is unavoidable, that in six months a given meridian upon the earth’s surface does not move a single yard, and therefore, that the earth has not the slightest degree of orbital motion.” -Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy”

    3) Why can’t I simply hover in a helicopter and wait for the Earth’s rotation to bring my destination to me?

    GC: Because the Earth doesn’t rotate.

    HC: Because the Earth’s atmosphere is magically velcroed to the Earth and rotates along with it.

    3.5) If the atmosphere is magically velcroed to the Earth and constantly rotates from West to East along with it, then …

    A) How is it that clouds, wind and weather patterns often travel in opposing directions simultaneously?

    B) Why don’t East to West traveling planes or projectiles encounter increased resistance?

    C) Why can I feel the slightest Westward breeze but not the Earth’s supposed 1,000 mph Eastward spin?

    D) If gravitational force is so great to pull the atmosphere together with the Earth then how come little birds and bugs are able to fly?

    GC: All these questions are moot and irrelevant in the geocentric view.

    HC: All of these questions are difficult and my pseudo-scientific heliocentric answers will be implausible and like grasping at straws.

    “If the atmosphere rushes forward from west to east continually, we are again obliged to conclude that whatever floats or is suspended in it, at any altitude, must of necessity partake of its eastward motion. A piece of cork, or any other body floating in still water, will be motionless, but let the water be put in motion, in any direction whatever, and the floating bodies will move with it, in the same direction and with the same velocity. Let the experiment be tried in every possible way, and these results will invariable follow. Hence if the earth’s atmosphere is in constant motion from west to east, all the different strata which are known to exist in it, and all the various kinds of clouds and vapours which float in it must of mechanical necessity move rapidly eastwards. But what is the fact? If we fix upon any star as a standard or datum outside the visible atmosphere, we may sometimes observe a stratum of clouds going for hours together in a direction the very opposite to that in which the earth is supposed to be moving. Not only may a stratum of clouds be seen moving rapidly from east to west, but at the same moment other strata may often be seen moving from north to south, and from south to north. It is a fact well known to aeronauts, that several strata of atmospheric air are often moving in as many different directions at the same time … On almost any moonlight and cloudy night, different strata may be seen not only moving in different directions but, at the same time, moving with different velocities; some floating past the face of the moon rapidly and uniformly, and others passing gently along, sometimes becoming stationary, then starting fitfully into motion, and often standing still for minutes together. Some of those who have ascended in balloons for scientific purposes have recorded that as they have rapidly passed through the atmosphere, they have gone though strata differing in temperature, in density, and in hygrometric, magnetic, electric, and other conditions. These changes have been noticed both in ascending and descending, and in going for miles together at the same altitude.” -Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy”

    4) How do Heliocentricist’s account for the Allais effect, and the results of Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy’s Failure, Sagnac and Kantors experiments proving the aether and a fixed Earth?

    GC: Yeah, good question.

    HC: (silence)

    “I don’t argue or enter into debates, because the issue here is exactly what you would bring to the debate, which is the wealth of erroneous information that allowed our situation to become as dire as it is in the first place. Your argument would consist of phony statistics, historical fables, the newspaper’s latest lies, and profit-driven ‘science.’ My argument is simple. Discover who controls everything you’ve been told, only believe what you can verify for yourself through original documentation, science and logic, and then look for a political connection between the sources of all the erroneous information. Find the motives behind the lies. If you did that, there would be no debate, and we would all agree on whose head should roll, as the saying goes.” -Jolly Roger

    https://iamtymaximus.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/geocentricity-vs-heliocentricity/
     
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    You have done this before and failed then as you fail now.

    Not one of the experiments you list concerned a flat earth and not one of them proved a flat earth nor did any of them prove earth geocentricity.

    The evidence simply proves you wrong and not one shred of evidence challenges the absolute fact that the earth is round.

    The experiments you list above do not even come close to doing that.

    Try again boy
     
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    Thank you, for showing your ignorance.
     
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    We accept the reality in which we are given. Your post here is a prime example. They told you what Columbus did, and you accepted it. They told you earth is a ball and you accepted it. And they did so at a very young age. So young we didn't have the brain to question it, we was still learning the abc's and 123's. The best form of indoctrination is at a young age. Which is why public school is free.

    The for corners of the earth, is where the four angels are, blowing and holding back the winds. One doesn't get four corners on a ball. The earth is established, it cannot be moved.

    Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end

    Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

    Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

    2 Samuel 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

    1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

    10 Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

    Psalm 93:1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

    Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

    Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

    Deuteronomy 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

    Psalms 19:
    1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
    5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
    6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

    Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

    12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

    13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

    14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lordhearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.
     
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    Please note that all of these examples are poetic.
    Please note that all of these examples you have given are, in ancient Hebrew, poetic forms. They no more describe the actual shape of the earth than Keats 'Ode on a Grecian Urn' compares and contrasts the relative skills of ancient Greek, Roman, and Egyptian potters.

    A description of the Earth was neither the intent nor the goal of the poetry in the Old Testament.
     
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    That is your opinion. And I can respect that. My opinion is that the scriptures in the Bible, The Book of Enoch, The Book of Jasher, do reveal the realm of "earth".

    What about when God stopped the sun and moon for Joshua for about a whole day, is that just poetic as well?

    The "truth" is within the word. And the word will eventually be revealed for all to see. For instance, let's say hypothetically that the earth is flat. That would mean NASA and governments of the world already know. And the lie would reveal them all, we will know them all "by their fruits". And the entire world would have to change. For the enlightenment of such a lie is so grand, it would have to be the great delusion God sends in the end days on all flesh of the earth, because "they love not the truth".

    The great delusion, was the moon landing.

    When mentioning that the earth is flat, most will ask, "what difference would it make"? These are of those "who love not the truth". Because they feel "truth" doesn't make a difference.
     
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    What about it? Do you really think the shape of the planet can provide any real difficulty for the God who by his word set into being the entire universe down to the pattern of the stars in the night skys? Cannot the Being who sat down the very laws governing this universe interfere with them at his whim?
     
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    God doesn't have to work outside his creation, nor does he lie. If He says he stopped the "sun" and the "moon" for about a whole day, then he stopped them for about a whole day. Which requires the sun and moon to be moving in the first place. The "Helio"centirc model says, the sun is already stopped in relation to the earth, and that it is the earth that is moving.

    I spelled heliocentric in the manner above, for the ancient Greek sun God, "Helios". The worship of ancient sun and other gods, is thought by the public to be over with. Yet that is exactly what goes on to this day.

    For the entire world "believes" they are in a "Helio"centric world.
     
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    By the way we do not see the rotation of the moon because it is tide locked to the earth so that the same face always point toward us.
    You can't measure the aether flowing past the earth because it doesn't exist.
    The best telescopes are mounted on a rotating base If they are going to take pictures of space the speed at which that base moves depends on the latitude of the telescope. The elevation of the Telescope has nothing to do with this. You want to see the earth's movement with your own eyes the best way is to mount a hobby telescope with an attached camera in your back yard preferably somewhere out in the country away from the city lights set your exposure time for about five hours and the stars will resemble lines rather than points.

    The heliocentric theory does not claim that the sun is stationary merely the the earth orbits the sun. Sun also moves within the Milky way galaxy. Scientists and God are apparently both aware of this fact. Apparently you aren't. The sun is no more at the center of the universe than is Earth. And given the Hubris with which even the best of Humanity tends at times to operate, I see no reason why a rational God would place us in such a position. We are more than egotistical enough as is
     
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    No, I was talking about the first heliocentric model, that stated the sun is stationary completely. They didn't have the spiral model at that time, yet was able to convince people anyways.
     
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    I want you to grab two tennis balls, place a mark on the one representing the moon, spin both balls until you can no longer tell the one with the mark is spinning.
     
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    Sorry that's a horrible model. Take croquet ball and a walnut drill a 1/16 hole halfway through the croquet ball. Insert a 1/16 dowel rod about a foot long Ito the hole in the croquet ball. Glue the walnut to the other end of the dowel. Now spin the croquet ball. Notice that the same half of the walnut always faces the croquet ball. That is a much better model of the relationship between the earth and the moon.
     
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    Sorry the last time that model was in vogue borders on ancient history. No one these days buys that model. It simply doesn't fit the observed data any better than the earthcentric model.
     
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    Hey Jr777. While I said earlier, I would never argue with a flat earth believer, in regards to the overwhelming evidence that has proven our earth is a globe and not flat, because any additional bit of evidence only sends the flat earth people into another conspiracy, so they do not have to accept the evidence, there is a question which I want to get your opinion on.

    That question is, and since we have known the earth is a globe for such a long time, dating back to ancient times, and this is what helped ocean travelers in discovering new lands, as they used the fact of a globe for navigation purposes, being able to figure out the position of a ship in a vast ocean, in order to arrive at a particular destination...what was the motive behind the globe earth conspiracy, and how has such a conspiracy been able to stand, unchallenged by men of science for so long? What are the powers that survived since ancient times that could keep the globe earth conspiracy in place, unquestioned by men of science? For the number of human beings involved in such a conspiracy would have to be HUGE. And why is it, that during all of those hundreds of years, not a single credible man of science has challenged this conspiracy? Not only that, but the math used for a globe, is not the same math as used for a flat earth. And so, how is it that the globe math is coherent, and is used everyday to get from point a to point b? For, if the earth was flat, it simply would not work. And so the men of math have to be in on this conspiracy as well.

    So, what is the motive behind this so called conspiracy? And how could it remain unchallenged for such a long period of time? To get a rocket or missile from point a to point b requires math. And that math takes into account that the earth is not flat, but curves, and surely the math used if the earth was flat would not work. But I am getting into another argument here, so no need to address that one. Just stick to what it would take, world wide, even from our atheistic enemies, in order to keep the globe earth an unchallenged conspiracy theory. And this conspiracy would have to be unchallenged for such a long time. The odds against this are astronomical! For any scientist that could prove the earth is flat would make history and be one of the most famous scientists in history, as well as being guaranteed to be very, very rich.

    The world is not entirely christian, nor jewish, nor islamic. Of what interest would china, the old USSR, or India, to name a few would have in keeping this conspiracy theory in place? I am afraid that what the flat earth believers require is just impossible. Against odds so high as to be absurd to even entertain it for more than a nano second. And who would a globe earth serve today, other than the hand full of conspiracy theorists? It just seems to me, that what you guys require is impossible, and one wonders if you guys have ever considered this? And if you have, how many additional conspiracy theories are needed to be created in order to keep your beliefs intact?

    The only thing that interests me about the flat earthers, is the capability of a group of people to question something like this. That is an interest to me because I know that people can be conditioned to believe in anything. Whether it be religious beliefs, or beliefs like this one, that the earth is flat. Where did the idea of a flat earth come from? Well, from religion, and interpreting religious writings in a strictly literal fashion. At least in more modern times. The belief in a flat earth originally came from human perception, for the earth from our limited point of view looks to be flat. But seeing isn't always to be taken as the truth when that seeing is from a very limited perspective. We cannot always believe our eyes, and this has been proven so often as to be unquestionable.

    I think that there is a need, for strict scientific purposes to thoroughly test the brains of flat earthers, in order to see if there is something different about the manner in which their brains operate. If there is a commonality that can be discerned, in the flat earth brain. For this would explain it, conclusively perhaps about what is involved. And it may not be a bad thing at all, if a commonality is found. In fact, it might be a good thing, if these brains could be applied in other areas. For the more that I think about these people, it just seems to me that something might very well be different with these people, in the manner in which their brains operate. And, I am not trying to say something negative here about these people, because I am personally fascinated by them. But in this cause/effect universe, of course I tend to seek causes that precede effects. And there may be a cause here which is unknown at this point. Or, it could turn out that the cause involves the fact that some brains cannot operate in sufficient coherence in order for those brains to be connected sufficiently enough to reality. Anyway, it would be nice to know, if for nothing else, the science of the human brain.
     
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    Yes, but you get the model today from the model of yesterday. If you want to believe you are a space monkey, go right ahead. Because the model tells you that we came from an explosion that came from nothing creating "space". In turn creating "earth", in turn creating monkeys, in which they tell us we came from. Thus "space monkey's". That in and of itself requires far more faith than our Father who is in heaven.
    Which would have the moon not spinning at all.
     
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    As I said earlier the moon is tide locked to the earth and relative to the earth it doesn't spin. The same is true of Mercury vis a vis the sun. Science in essence agrees with the Bible. At the very beginning everything was with out form and void and then quite suddenly their was everything. The only real argument is over how long suddenly was.
     
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    The globe has not, nor ever will be used for navigation.

    The Motive: It is disturbing to think that if the world is indeed flat, rather than having the greatest achievement in mankind's history, we have the greatest lie in mankind's history. What is even more disturbing, is you cannot see a motive.

    If you cannot believe your eyes, try going without them.
     
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    Can you demonstrate this for better visual and "science"?
     
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    which one?
     
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    ahhh .. so that's what this is about. a 'jealous god', who didn't like seeing his bald monkeys call something/someone else 'the centre of the universe'. it all makes perfect sense now. and is entirely in keeping with the Hebrew godhead's gargantuan ego.
     

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