Are you incapable of offering up an answer to my question? And to think you can believe your eyes, as you just said, has been proven many times, that you cannot believe them in every case. There are many examples of this online, but I first saw the evidence in books. One example that is a good one, is that the moon appears to be larger when it rises above the horizon. But if you have a measuring tool, you can prove that it isn't larger and you are looking at an illusion. You cannot believe your eyes, upon first perception, but a measuring tool will not lie to you, as your eyes did. That you can offer up nothing, except your original claim is a big fail. But perhaps, even the size of the conspiracy it would take to keep hidden the truth of our earth, is even impossible for you to believe? Until you offer up a rational, reasonable, explanation of why this great conspiracy could be carried forth, and how it was pulled off, we are getting nothing from you except for you claim. And such an extraordinary claim and position needs more than what you have to offer. Which was really, nothing, in regards to my question. So, the maps of our globe, with our longitude and lattitude, have never been used to navigate our globe? Then why did we create maps? Just to look at as something pretty? Well, they were used for navigation of a globe, that is why. I think we learned this in geography in the 5th grade, back in the 50s when I attended public school. In conclusion, the odds against a worldwide conspiracy are so great, astronomical, as to be for all practical purposes impossible. Yet you will not address this, and IMO, for good reason. It would be so difficult to do so and retain any creds. For never has humanity ever been agreement on much of anything, and yet we must believe that they agreed on this? But if so, for what motive? I cannot even get a motive from you. It isn't asking too much, surely.